Vagueness and the Aftermath - A sporadic diary

[RED-DOG]

Ninja'd by Woodsey.

Someone must've mentioned Vietnam or Thailand for him to get here so fast.

Ha, photography is in my top 10 of triggers though too  

Ladyboys are in the top 3.

[Tractor]

RAW files ftw, such a difference when editing from raw to jpeg. Like Woodsey said you will need Aperture,photshop,darkroom or something similar to edit your image.

[EvilPie]

I read a lot of stuff about jpg's being lossy and picture quality degrading after several editing / copying processes, although I have to admit I've never noticed anything.

Is it bollocks?

Apparently not although I have no experience myself.

Do you save your images as jpg's then Tom?

I would've thought that someone who take proper pictures should save them in the largest file possible.

If the original picture is 5MB in size surely you want to save the whole thing?

Well for a start I didn't know I was someone who takes proper pictures, and secondly, I can use jpg's which are like 500kb, or TIFF files, with are like 17mb per pic and really slow my camera down.

Slow it down how? You mean it takes longer to capture the image or longer before you take the next shot?

[RED-DOG]

I read a lot of stuff about jpg's being lossy and picture quality degrading after several editing / copying processes, although I have to admit I've never noticed anything.

Is it bollocks?

Apparently not although I have no experience myself.

Do you save your images as jpg's then Tom?

I would've thought that someone who take proper pictures should save them in the largest file possible.

If the original picture is 5MB in size surely you want to save the whole thing?

Well for a start I didn't know I was someone who takes proper pictures, and secondly, I can use jpg's which are like 500kb, or TIFF files, with are like 17mb per pic and really slow my camera down.

Slow it down how? You mean it takes longer to capture the image or longer before you take the next shot?

Longer between shots, can't do burst mode/continuous shooting etc...

[Woodsey]

Ninja'd by Woodsey.

Someone must've mentioned Vietnam or Thailand for him to get here so fast.

Ha, photography is in my top 10 of triggers though too  

Ladyboys are in the top 3.

Only if people ask, I think others are more fascinated by them than me tbh.

[RED-DOG]

RAW files ftw, such a difference when editing from raw to jpeg. Like Woodsey said you will need Aperture,photshop,darkroom or something similar to edit your image.

What is the difference like though? Presumably a jpg is fine before you start to edit/copy it? and I haven't noticed any degradation afterwards.

I'm not saying degradation is not there, but are we talking infinitesimally small increments?

Can anyone post examples?

Woodsey's stuff looks excellent. Do you use jpg's Woods?

[Woodsey]

RAW files ftw, such a difference when editing from raw to jpeg. Like Woodsey said you will need Aperture,photshop,darkroom or something similar to edit your image.

What is the difference like though? Presumably a jpg is fine before you start to edit/copy it? and I haven't noticed any degradation afterwards.

I'm not saying degradation is not there, but are we talking infinitesimally small increments?

Can anyone post examples?

Woodsey's stuff looks excellent. Do you use jpg's Woods?

Mostly, but I don't edit that much apart from a bit of cropping and slight colour adjustments the odd time.

[Jon MW]

I read a lot of stuff about jpg's being lossy and picture quality degrading after several editing / copying processes, although I have to admit I've never noticed anything.

Is it bollocks?

Apparenty true and RAw format is the wtg.

I have no idea about such matters but a mate of mine who was in the printing industry always used to harp on about it.

If you need to publish your photo's in a magazine then RAW is definitely the way to go - but like Red asks - is there really a noticeable difference?

[Tractor]

im nots sure how to explain it exactly but when you edit the raw file initially, you are making adjustments without any loss as the RAW file is the exact image from the sensor, put it another way, RAW is like film that has been exposed but not developed and jpeg is film that has been developed already.
So when we adjust exposure, white balance, contrast, vibrance etc etc on a raw image we are actually changing the original image, once the image is a jpeg your are making and then saving the adjustments you make incurring losses to the original image.
I suppose you are right in the sense that there is not much difference but i think once you start shooting raw the process of making adjustments seems to become easier.
I have been editing images at work this week and there was a noticeable difference as one shoot we did we forgot to set the camera to raw and only had jpegs to work with and there was a noticeable difference to me.

[Woodsey]

im nots sure how to explain it exactly but when you edit the raw file initially, you are making adjustments without any loss as the RAW file is the exact image from the sensor, put it another way, RAW is like film that has been exposed but not developed and jpeg is film that has been developed already.
So when we adjust exposure, white balance, contrast, vibrance etc etc on a raw image we are actually changing the original image, once the image is a jpeg your are making and then saving the adjustments you make incurring losses to the original image.
I suppose you are right in the sense that there is not much difference but i think once you start shooting raw the process of making adjustments seems to become easier.
I have been editing images at work this week and there was a noticeable difference as one shoot we did we forgot to set the camera to raw and only had jpegs to work with and there was a noticeable difference to me.

I think for what Tom is doing there is no real difference.

[EvilPie]

So a RAW image is like a negative then?

[Tractor]

im nots sure how to explain it exactly but when you edit the raw file initially, you are making adjustments without any loss as the RAW file is the exact image from the sensor, put it another way, RAW is like film that has been exposed but not developed and jpeg is film that has been developed already.
So when we adjust exposure, white balance, contrast, vibrance etc etc on a raw image we are actually changing the original image, once the image is a jpeg your are making and then saving the adjustments you make incurring losses to the original image.
I suppose you are right in the sense that there is not much difference but i think once you start shooting raw the process of making adjustments seems to become easier.
I have been editing images at work this week and there was a noticeable difference as one shoot we did we forgot to set the camera to raw and only had jpegs to work with and there was a noticeable difference to me.

I think for what Tom is doing there is no real difference.

Correct.I have no idea what camera/software Tom is using but if he has the capabilities of shooting raw & editing it then I would at least try it.

[Jon MW]

 

Excellent explanation though Tractor

[Tractor]

Excellent explanation though Tractor

I think Evil Pie summed it up a lot quicker lol

[RED-DOG]

im nots sure how to explain it exactly but when you edit the raw file initially, you are making adjustments without any loss as the RAW file is the exact image from the sensor, put it another way, RAW is like film that has been exposed but not developed and jpeg is film that has been developed already.
So when we adjust exposure, white balance, contrast, vibrance etc etc on a raw image we are actually changing the original image, once the image is a jpeg your are making and then saving the adjustments you make incurring losses to the original image.
I suppose you are right in the sense that there is not much difference but i think once you start shooting raw the process of making adjustments seems to become easier.
I have been editing images at work this week and there was a noticeable difference as one shoot we did we forgot to set the camera to raw and only had jpegs to work with and there was a noticeable difference to me.

Thank you.

I understand the principle, it's just that I have never been able to see any difference.

Once a jpg is saved, opening and closing the file doesn't incur further losses does it?