Vagueness and the Aftermath - A sporadic diary

[RED-DOG]

Loads of pics of new species there. Haven't seen a siskin for ages.

I'll sort a thread out for them and put them in order when I get an hour spare.

[Junior Senior]

If this is gonna turn into a bird diary I will have no choice but to get involved. Blond bird club ftw

[kinboshi]

If this is gonna turn into a bird diary I will have no choice but to get involved. Blond bird club ftw

Good 2000th post

[Woodsey]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-17148813

[Karabiner]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-17148813

There's a restaurant in town that serves ostrich tandooris.

[Woodsey]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-17148813

There's a restaurant in town that serves ostrich tandooris.

Not that I really care but there ain't a £5000 find for killing an ostrich, I've had ostrich anyway tastes good, like beef really with a slight aftertaste 

I only posted it because I lol'd at the fact they were on about upping police patrols to protect them, I'd rather they sorted out 'proper' crime. Its prolly some busto Polaks chasing a free scoff 

[Rod Paradise]

A couple of replies about the knife from Sweden - some good info, particularly in the second one:

I'm not sure I'm much of a help. Of course it could be a Sami made knife, the type definetely is Sami, but it could also be made by someone who is not Sami but like the model. This would, of course, greatly affect the value of the knife. The pattern is decorative, but not the quality of the great masters of Duodji (Sami handicraft). You can find a list of Sami knife signatures here: http://www.cultur.nu/knivar/samesign/ It is in Swedish, but you probably get it anyway, you have the signatures on the right and the name of the craftsmen on the left. Just so you know, they are not in alphabethical order. I've looked, but unfortunatly I can't find your AGS.

Ho Rod, it is a North Sami knife, a little thin – and that make me think it is made by Finnish Sami – or somewhere in the border between Sweden/Finland and Norway.

The pattern is North Sami style from about 1930 +/- 10 years.

Your sheath are made in reindeer antler and reindeer skin (colored with alder bark) and the skin is, what I can see on your pictures, home “made” = treated by hand in the Sami family.

The knife is a stick tang and riveted on the top of the handle. The handle is of reindeer antler and curly birch with spacers of birch bark.

It is made in traditional way, well made, but have dried a little during the years. This type of knife are made for using, not hanging on a wall.

Treat the leather with some fat for leather – and it will be a very nice and deep color on the leather. Treat the wood parts, and the spacers, with oil for wood, do this some times – and the wood will grow a little.

Take care about this knife, use it – but use it carefully, it will like to be used.

I do not know who made this knife – but I can see that this is not the first knife he have made – so his initials, AGS, can perhaps can be found. I shall make some questions and see if I can find something and I will give you the result here.

The value is hard to say something about. It is a typical made North Sami knife, with typical pattern from about 1930, home made, in correct material, colored with alder bark – let say around 3-400 USD, perhaps a little more if you find a interested buyer.

Thomas

The fat for leather he talks about isn't dubbin. Neatsfoot oil would do a nice job on it, I've a bottle of it & can send you some if you want - it'll bring the leather up nice (of course as it's used for bridle leather etc Red's probably got some or knows where to get it).

The oil for wood I'd use would be teak oil or raw linseed oil (likewise you're welcome to some if you want). Be careful using raw linseed oil - it has been known to cause spontaneous combustion of cloth if the cloth has been soaked in it, it doesn't smell bad so I apply it with my hands.

$300 to $400 isn't bad either - but I'd not be tempted to flog it - it's too nice and also it's probably worth more over in Scandanavia where there are more collectors.

[Rod Paradise]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-17148813

There's a restaurant in town that serves ostrich tandooris.

Not that I really care but there ain't a £5000 find for killing an ostrich, I've had ostrich anyway tastes good, like beef really with a slight aftertaste 

I only posted it because I lol'd at the fact they were on about upping police patrols to protect them, I'd rather they sorted out 'proper' crime. Its prolly some busto Polaks chasing a free scoff 

I must admit it's one on my 'bad bucket list' - I object to it only being the Queen & toffs at Cambridge uni that can eat them, also I love goose & they are just white decorative geese. THere was a guy done for it not that long ago in Aberdeen IIRC.

[Woodsey]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-17148813

There's a restaurant in town that serves ostrich tandooris.

Not that I really care but there ain't a £5000 find for killing an ostrich, I've had ostrich anyway tastes good, like beef really with a slight aftertaste 

I only posted it because I lol'd at the fact they were on about upping police patrols to protect them, I'd rather they sorted out 'proper' crime. Its prolly some busto Polaks chasing a free scoff 

I must admit it's one on my 'bad bucket list' - I object to it only being the Queen & toffs at Cambridge uni that can eat them, also I love goose & they are just white decorative geese. THere was a guy done for it not that long ago in Aberdeen IIRC.

What u doing this weekend? 

[Rod Paradise]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-17148813

There's a restaurant in town that serves ostrich tandooris.

Not that I really care but there ain't a £5000 find for killing an ostrich, I've had ostrich anyway tastes good, like beef really with a slight aftertaste 

I only posted it because I lol'd at the fact they were on about upping police patrols to protect them, I'd rather they sorted out 'proper' crime. Its prolly some busto Polaks chasing a free scoff 

I must admit it's one on my 'bad bucket list' - I object to it only being the Queen & toffs at Cambridge uni that can eat them, also I love goose & they are just white decorative geese. THere was a guy done for it not that long ago in Aberdeen IIRC.

What u doing this weekend? 

End of the summer - when they've got properly fattened up..... 

[RED-DOG]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-17148813

Better than killing them for fun I suppose...

[Woodsey]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-17148813

There's a restaurant in town that serves ostrich tandooris.

Not that I really care but there ain't a £5000 find for killing an ostrich, I've had ostrich anyway tastes good, like beef really with a slight aftertaste  

I only posted it because I lol'd at the fact they were on about upping police patrols to protect them, I'd rather they sorted out 'proper' crime. Its prolly some busto Polaks chasing a free scoff  

I must admit it's one on my 'bad bucket list' - I object to it only being the Queen & toffs at Cambridge uni that can eat them, also I love goose & they are just white decorative geese. THere was a guy done for it not that long ago in Aberdeen IIRC.

What u doing this weekend?  

End of the summer - when they've got properly fattened up.....  

Book it danno  

I'm helping with the fattening  

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[Rod Paradise]

Redsgirl - Thomas has another suggestion:

By the way, make some searches with Google pictures: samekniv, sameknivar, samiska knivar, samehantverk – and you will find a lot of pictures on Sami knifes.

Sami = Same in Swedish.
Knife = kniv
Knifes = knivar
Samehantverk = sami handcraft

Thomas

[Redsgirl]

A couple of replies about the knife from Sweden - some good info, particularly in the second one:

I'm not sure I'm much of a help. Of course it could be a Sami made knife, the type definetely is Sami, but it could also be made by someone who is not Sami but like the model. This would, of course, greatly affect the value of the knife. The pattern is decorative, but not the quality of the great masters of Duodji (Sami handicraft). You can find a list of Sami knife signatures here: http://www.cultur.nu/knivar/samesign/ It is in Swedish, but you probably get it anyway, you have the signatures on the right and the name of the craftsmen on the left. Just so you know, they are not in alphabethical order. I've looked, but unfortunatly I can't find your AGS.

Ho Rod, it is a North Sami knife, a little thin – and that make me think it is made by Finnish Sami – or somewhere in the border between Sweden/Finland and Norway.

The pattern is North Sami style from about 1930 +/- 10 years.

Your sheath are made in reindeer antler and reindeer skin (colored with alder bark) and the skin is, what I can see on your pictures, home “made” = treated by hand in the Sami family.

The knife is a stick tang and riveted on the top of the handle. The handle is of reindeer antler and curly birch with spacers of birch bark.

It is made in traditional way, well made, but have dried a little during the years. This type of knife are made for using, not hanging on a wall.

Treat the leather with some fat for leather – and it will be a very nice and deep color on the leather. Treat the wood parts, and the spacers, with oil for wood, do this some times – and the wood will grow a little.

Take care about this knife, use it – but use it carefully, it will like to be used.

I do not know who made this knife – but I can see that this is not the first knife he have made – so his initials, AGS, can perhaps can be found. I shall make some questions and see if I can find something and I will give you the result here.

The value is hard to say something about. It is a typical made North Sami knife, with typical pattern from about 1930, home made, in correct material, colored with alder bark – let say around 3-400 USD, perhaps a little more if you find a interested buyer.

Thomas

The fat for leather he talks about isn't dubbin. Neatsfoot oil would do a nice job on it, I've a bottle of it & can send you some if you want - it'll bring the leather up nice (of course as it's used for bridle leather etc Red's probably got some or knows where to get it).

The oil for wood I'd use would be teak oil or raw linseed oil (likewise you're welcome to some if you want). Be careful using raw linseed oil - it has been known to cause spontaneous combustion of cloth if the cloth has been soaked in it, it doesn't smell bad so I apply it with my hands.

$300 to $400 isn't bad either - but I'd not be tempted to flog it - it's too nice and also it's probably worth more over in Scandanavia where there are more collectors.

Thank you so much, Rod. I'm really am chuffed to find out it is an original "home made" knife,
with a little age to it.
I was kind of sure it was, because you can just see the time and love that went into making it,
and it has a comfortable, well worn feel in you hand.
I have never thought of oiling it, I shall get my dad to oversee that! Thanks for the offer of oils,
but you're right, we have grease's of every description knocking about.
As for using it, I not sure how I could, It wouldn't be much good for 'taters! But I will feel guilty
now, after your friend said "it would like it".
I'm definitely not going to sell it, I cant think of anything I could buy with $400 dollars that I
would love as much.

p.s Please thank your friends for me

[Rod Paradise]

They were all-round knives - used to gut & skin animals, carve wood, and for food prep etc, so it'd do fine with the taters

I don't know how into crafts etc you are, but it should take a good edge (read up on how to sharpen a 'scandi grind' it's a bit different) and would be a good basic woodcarver, you could then do from the traditional clothes peg, simple(ish) spatula, to spoons (need a curved spoon knife for the bowl part) to these:



You don't need the carving axe - he's showing off

I've carved a spoon - and being kind it was 'serviceable'  i.e. you could stir stuff with it - but then you could do that with a stick.

Some people do beautiful work though.



I thanked them, I'm sure we'll hear more from Thomas anyway, he's got a real love of the traditional Scandi knives.