Vagueness and the Aftermath - A sporadic diary

[thetank]

We can't compete, but we can enjoy.

[Dingdell]

so the aggressive young black guy and the angry asian were beaten by the cunning Gypsy

Not really, I wasn't trying to make it sound racist or anything. although when you paraphrase me like that, it reads different. I suppose it depends what you're looking for.

Well Red - when you then start on the people with restricted growth -  I duck and dive for a while with my now somewhat less than average stack. A shorty gets moved to our table and pushes for 8k - what are we to think? 

Loving the read by the way - the scenes jump off the page. x

[Karabiner]

I love the picture of you shaking the guy's hand thinking he's won and him just trying to get away after you had unknowingly rivered the straight, a classic.

Great report Tom and nice result too.

[ifm]

Would you know if it's the same Mr Chundra who used to (maybe still does) play at the casino in Dudley opposite the zoo?

Had to post on this thread so i can keep track of it :S

[RED-DOG]

Do you think I should go to the doctor?

I had a touch of man flu about a fortnight ago. I managed to get through it OK, (No thanks to Mrs Red)

Why I should have to wait a full 20 minutes for a cup of tea and a bacon sandwich in my condition is beyond me. As I told her at the time, the washing and ironing will still be here when I'm dead and gone.

Anyway, in spite of poor nursing, I recovered. I feel quite well now, apart from my lungs that is. They feel like they have been varnished inside, and I'm coughing something up that goes clang when it hits the ground.

It's such a pain visiting our doctor. He expects you to arrive at a time to suit him.

I might just carry on with this ancient cough medicine that I found at the back of the cupboard. I can't read the expiry date, but I can still see the price sticker, 1/9d.

It's separated into three different coloured layers which won't re-mix. I'm down to the yellow layer now. (I don't know what the yellow layer is, but my God it's addictive)

Roll on 11 O'clock.

[AndrewT]

I had exactly the same thing Tom.

Was completely knocked out over Christmas (spent all Christmas day in bed ill) and mostly recovered except for the fact my lungs never properly cleared. In the month since I've been coughing up 'stuff'. Same thing with my Dad, who got ill a few days after I did.

Last week I got another, different infection, so went to the doctor who gave me antibiotics.

"These have a 50/50 chance of working", he said, putting his years of medical training to their fullest use. The pills were red, but it looks like I landed on black, as they don't seem to have done much for my illness.

They've cleared my spots up a treat though.

[RED-DOG]

Going back to the £300 at Walsall. Quite early on day one, (blinds about 200/400) A player got involved in a 10k-ish pot when this incident occurred.

The dealer moved his hand to gather in some chips, and accidentally flicked a card from the top of the deck. It flew across the table and landed on the player's hole cards.

What do you think is the correct ruling?

What do you think is the fairest ruling?

[TightEnd]

at what point in proceedings did this occur?

pre-flop but post betting pre-flop?

pre-turn?

If I assume its pre-flop and he has exposed the burn card, its shown to the players remaining in the hand, stays as the burn and the flop is dealt as normal

I don't see the player's hand can be mucked if the card has landed face up on the hole cards if they are still behind the line

[boldie]

at what point in proceedings did this occur?

pre-flop but post betting pre-flop?

pre-turn?

If I assume its pre-flop and he has exposed the burn card, its shown to the players remaining in the hand, stays as the burn and the flop is dealt as normal

I don't see the player's hand can be mucked if the card has landed face up on the hole cards if they are still behind the line

indeed.the players hand can not be mucked as his cards aren't actually in the muck.

[tikay]

Going back to the £300 at Walsall. Quite early on day one, (blinds about 200/400) A player got involved in a 10k-ish pot when this incident occurred.

The dealer moved his hand to gather in some chips, and accidentally flicked a card from the top of the deck. It flew across the table and landed on the player's hole cards.

What do you think is the correct ruling?

What do you think is the fairest ruling?

No Ruling should have been necessary. Common Sense Rules.

[RED-DOG]

It didn't happen on my table, but I asked for details.

Apparently it was post flop, and post flop betting, pre-turn.

The card landed on (or amongst?) the players hole-cards face down.

A ruling was called for.

[tikay]

It didn't happen on my table, but I asked for details.

Apparently it was post flop, and post flop betting, pre-turn.

The card landed on (or amongst?) the players hole-cards face down.

A ruling was called for.

By a Player? Surely not.....

[TightEnd]

It didn't happen on my table, but I asked for details.

Apparently it was post flop, and post flop betting, pre-turn.

The card landed on the players hole-cards face down.

A ruling was called for.

Fairest is that it stands as the pre-turn burn card, exposed to all remaining if desired by TD

If there is any doubt at all about the player who's cards they have landed on its unfortunate. I have seen in similar circumstances a hand mucked due to such a dealer error

I do not regard that as fair or sensible though, in the "spirit of the game"

I wonder why a ruling was even called for, was it to gain an advantage becuase of a probable muck?

[AndrewT]

Provided no one saw the card as it flew across the table, and it somehow got mixed in with the hole cards (so it wasn't obvious which was the extra card) presumably the TD would call the player away from the table, out of earshot of the other players, ask him what his two cards were, then replace the extra card, unseen, back on the deck and play on.

If it was obvious which card was the extra one, put it back. If there is any suspicion someone might have seen it, expose it to everyone and carry on as normal.

I'm assuming obvious common sense held out, as it does with all poker rulings...

[RED-DOG]

I was told that a strict interpretation of the (Grosvenor?) rules would mean that the players hand would be dead and he would forfit the pot.

In the event, his hand was mucked and his chips returned.