Seeing your neighbour's cards.

[Ironside]

on wednessday at the FT of a live game in the international the first hand the guy on my right in seat 3 picks up his cards too his chest exposing them to me as i am sat so far back from table

as i had already seen my cards in teh BB and had no intention of playing them and his cards were also going in the muck

i waited till after the hand was finished and asked him to be more carefull in future

after that if he had continued to show his cards i wouldnt have known what to do

but the whole table and the cardroom staff all knew i had pointed out the problem

I would and have done so before exactly the same thing, if he continues i would continue to tell him or look away, i wanted to put one of those good post thingy's up, where do i get them from?

yeah you never told me you could see my cards in DTD when you robbed me blind though

[Card_Shark]

Yes everytime because that is the referee's decision not mine.

It is your decision to put your opponent back to the table though...and YOU believe he made a genuine attempt to get out of the snooker. So do you take advantage of the refs decision or do you ethically go ahead and take your shot?

I still make him go again because in no way am i cheating in my opinion by doing so.

[Card_Shark]

on wednessday at the FT of a live game in the international the first hand the guy on my right in seat 3 picks up his cards too his chest exposing them to me as i am sat so far back from table

as i had already seen my cards in teh BB and had no intention of playing them and his cards were also going in the muck

i waited till after the hand was finished and asked him to be more carefull in future

after that if he had continued to show his cards i wouldnt have known what to do

but the whole table and the cardroom staff all knew i had pointed out the problem

I would and have done so before exactly the same thing, if he continues i would continue to tell him or look away, i wanted to put one of those good post thingy's up, where do i get them from?

yeah you never told me you could see my cards in dtd when you robbed me blind though

LOL, hope to see you at DTD soon, are you alright mate?

[Ironside]

yeah great steve if i could sort my game out

will be down DTD this weekend see if i can play a little better

[Card_Shark]

yeah great steve if i could sort my game out

will be down dtd this weekend see if i can play a little better

Nothing wrong with your game, it's form that is the problem! glad to hear you are well mate.

[MANTIS01]

I still make him go again because in no way am i cheating in my opinion by doing so.

I agree, you are operating within the rules in order to give your opponent the best chance of loosing. While your own opinion may be that the "miss" call was unfair you still put your personal ideals aside at the table in order to play the game as hard as you can. One thing you wouldn't do is interupt your oponent mid-shot and give him advice about how best he can get out of the snooker. No different to seeing your opponents hole cards.

[Card_Shark]

I still make him go again because in no way am i cheating in my opinion by doing so.

I agree, you are operating within the rules in order to give your opponent the best chance of loosing. While your own opinion may be that the "miss" call was unfair you still put your personal ideals aside at the table in order to play the game as hard as you can. One thing you wouldn't do is interupt your oponent mid-shot and give him advice about how best he can get out of the snooker. No different to seeing your opponents hole cards.

The main difference for me is that one is cheating and the other isn't, in my opinion

[AlexMartin]

Comparing poker to snooker is a joke imo. Poker is a game where you are allowed to use EVERY edge you can get, almost regardless.

[gatso]

So what do you do if your the snooker player as mentioned in my earlier post and it's the deciding frame of the world championship 100k 1st prize 50k second, do you call the foul on yourself like 99.9% of pro snooker players or do you cheat and take the win at all costs attitude?

this thread is talking about mistakes made by others and in the example we would in no way be breaking the rules.

Which rules would those be then?

the rules of poker ldo

[Card_Shark]

In many games/sports the number 1 rule is that "The game shall be played in a sporting manner". I believe that if i were to go on and win the pot/tournament without saying something to the dealer or an official at the time of the incident, then the pot/tournament would be greatly devalued ie. the win would be worthless if it left me feeling like i was a cheat. I would let the official/dealer make the final decision, either way win or lose my morals are in tact.

In my opinion this is similar to snooker players calling fouls on them selves when they accidentally touch the cue ball with the tip of there cue before playing a shot. Maybe we should be playing poker with the same level of honesty/integrity?

Comparing poker to snooker is a joke imo. Poker is a game where you are allowed to use EVERY edge you can get, almost regardless.

I totally agree that in poker you are allowed to use EVERY edge you can get. The difference for me is that i don't feel the need to win by resorting to what imho is cheating, other players that have no problem with gaining an advantage from seeing someone else's cards, obviously have a different view and that is fine too, just not for me.

[Card_Shark]

So what do you do if your the snooker player as mentioned in my earlier post and it's the deciding frame of the world championship 100k 1st prize 50k second, do you call the foul on yourself like 99.9% of pro snooker players or do you cheat and take the win at all costs attitude?

this thread is talking about mistakes made by others and in the example we would in no way be breaking the rules.

Which rules would those be then?

the rules of poker ldo

Sorry i was being sarcastic, i am not aware of any standard rules that apply to all poker games and the ethics/ etiquette within the game, which is another subject all togeather.

[MANTIS01]

How can you cheat if you play within the rules of a game? I think use of the word "cheat" when applied to a personal opinion rather than a matter of fact is far from appropriate.

[Card_Shark]

How can you cheat if you play within the rules of a game? I think use of the word "cheat" when applied to a personal opinion rather than a matter of fact is far from appropriate.

Your exactly right, it would make me feel like a cheat.

[Card_Shark]

It is not my intension to suggest or imply that you or anyone else that disagrees with my comments are cheats, however my opinion is that i personally view this as cheating even if it is in the rules somewhere that it is not cheating to view another players hole cards.

[gatso]

It is not my intension to suggest or imply that you or anyone else that disagrees with my comments are cheats, however my opinion is that i personally view this as cheating even if it is in the rules somewhere that it is not cheating to view another players hole cards.

I'm not even close to understanding your point here. How can accidently viewing someone's cards in any way be cheating?