Someone please explain this call.......

[Longy]

The call is a pretty bad one but meh i will see worse.

As for the shove it is totally standard and easily the best play imo.

This is 2nd time this arguement has come up tonight, your hand is not transparant at all. I would shove all the following hands here ak,aq,aj,a10,qq-55 and given table dynamics possibly even wider and sometimes with aa and kk on complete donk tables, or table where making a small raise would look suspicious to the rest of the table.

Also what the hell do we do to (a) A complete nit shoves on us and we have a 1/3 to 1/2 our stack in there.
                                          (b) We get 1/2 caller and the flop come with 1 or 2 overcards.

These situations are alot worse than making our hand alledgely transparent. Just balance your range if you are worried about being readable and this involves shoving aa and kk here quite abit.

[Matt50]

i agree that there are many worse calls - but i was thinking more along the lines of the fact that it was a $100 rebuy, for me that is a big tournament, maybe not so much for him.  If it was a $5 then i could understand it a lot more.

impossible to say

if its out of your bankroll then you could be at an inherent disadvantage..

Not out of my bankroll, but at the top end.
I suppose a double up would have put me in a good position, but that doesnt help much when he hits!

[I KNOW IT]

The call is a pretty bad one but meh i will see worse.

As for the shove it is totally standard and easily the best play imo.

This is 2nd time this arguement has come up tonight, your hand is not transparant at all. I would shove all the following hands here ak,aq,aj,a10,qq-55 and given table dynamics possibly even wider and sometimes with aa and kk on complete donk tables, or table where making a small raise would look suspicious to the rest of the table.

Errrrmmm These 2 scenarios are completely different.
1,Open Shoving 9 BB in a mid stage part of the tourny when you are low.,

 2,  The  AgentChip AK shove thread which is obv post you are refering to is a totally different case ,

 Thought that the differences were pretty obvious to see
How can you compare them.??

 Also who said his hand looks transparent?


Im not going to hijack thread with this one srry.

Matt50 is too short to try and get  fancy with 10's and theres nothing wrong with the shove here
( Which is the way I would have played it FWIW)
 

Incase you missunderstood me Longy I think the  shove was the CORRECT play and the KQ is a BAD call. 
Id actually commented that he was most likely going to get a call by Mr KQ what ever he did IMO

[MANTIS01]

If every tournament player played perfectly how would you ever win? Looking for a reason why people make bad calls is a bit of a fruitless exercise really.....they just do. This is something to be happy and excited about.

[Longy]

The call is a pretty bad one but meh i will see worse.

As for the shove it is totally standard and easily the best play imo.

This is 2nd time this arguement has come up tonight, your hand is not transparant at all. I would shove all the following hands here ak,aq,aj,a10,qq-55 and given table dynamics possibly even wider and sometimes with aa and kk on complete donk tables, or table where making a small raise would look suspicious to the rest of the table.

Errrrmmm These 2 scenarios are completely different.
1,Open Shoving 9 BB in a mid stage part of the tourny when you are low.,

 2,  The  AgentChip AK shove thread which is obv post you are refering to is a totally different case ,

 Thought that the differences were pretty obvious to see
How can you compare them.??

 Also who said his hand looks transparent?


Im not going to hijack thread with this one srry.

Matt50 is too short to try and get  fancy with 10's and theres nothing wrong with the shove here
( Which is the way I would have played it FWIW)
 

Incase you missunderstood me Longy I think the  shove was the CORRECT play and the KQ is a BAD call. 
Id actually commented that he was most likely going to get a call by Mr KQ what ever he did IMO

Celtic says in his post on this thread that the hand is "transparent" which is exactly the same arguement that was put forward in the other thread that our hand is obviously ak by shoving.

Though situationally different the arguement is the same that we are effectively turning our hand over to the rest of the table, so our opponent "knows" he is racing.

I as you do think the situations are different but the same arguement has been used for both to making a smaller bet/raise instead of shoving.

[Royal Flush]

On Monday i got called for 16BB by KQ with 2 tables left of the 150fo on Full Tilt, pretty shocking call.

Also on Monday i got called for 1300 chips on 15-30 of the iPoker $500fo by AT.

Without these calls i would have to get a job.

[I KNOW IT]

The call is a pretty bad one but meh i will see worse.

As for the shove it is totally standard and easily the best play imo.

This is 2nd time this arguement has come up tonight, your hand is not transparant at all. I would shove all the following hands here ak,aq,aj,a10,qq-55 and given table dynamics possibly even wider and sometimes with aa and kk on complete donk tables, or table where making a small raise would look suspicious to the rest of the table.

Errrrmmm These 2 scenarios are completely different.
1,Open Shoving 9 BB in a mid stage part of the tourny when you are low.,

 2,  The  AgentChip AK shove thread which is obv post you are refering to is a totally different case ,

 Thought that the differences were pretty obvious to see
How can you compare them.??

 Also who said his hand looks transparent?


Im not going to hijack thread with this one srry.

Matt50 is too short to try and get  fancy with 10's and theres nothing wrong with the shove here
( Which is the way I would have played it FWIW)
 

Incase you missunderstood me Longy I think the  shove was the CORRECT play and the KQ is a BAD call. 
Id actually commented that he was most likely going to get a call by Mr KQ what ever he did IMO

Celtic says in his post on this thread that the hand is "transparent" which is exactly the same arguement that was put forward in the other thread that our hand is obviously ak by shoving.

Though situationally different the arguement is the same that we are effectively turning our hand over to the rest of the table, so our opponent "knows" he is racing.

I as you do think the situations are different but the same arguement has been used for both to making a smaller bet/raise instead of shoving.

Oh my bad I thought u meant me lol
In this instance with the size of my stack 5500 compared to the blinds any move I make Im committing myself with the hand.
Happy to  pick up blinds and increase stack by 20% or preferably  double up to get back in the game. Thats why Id would take the shove option because your to short to mess around with 10s

[ACE2M]

i saw 5th in chips raise utg get re raised by CL, call the re raise, then check/call his chips all in by the turn with bottom pair/no draw holding 45os.

this was in the 150k gtd on mansion on sunday with 14 players left, truly stunned was i.

[I KNOW IT]

On Monday i got called for 16BB by KQ with 2 tables left of the 150fo on Full Tilt, pretty shocking call.

Also on Monday i got called for 1300 chips on 15-30 of the iPoker $500fo by AT.

Without these calls i would have to get a job.

unemployablement

[doubleup]

Without these calls i would have to get a job.

jeesus I knew you said that you were running bad but......- lucky that these players helped you out at the brink.

[Royal Flush]

Without these calls i would have to get a job.

jeesus I knew you said that you were running bad but......- lucky that these players helped you out at the brink.

Obv i lose them, only $10k down this month so far, feels like a massive result, lol

[crussty]

Terrible call IMO. You could easily have AK/AQ here but he obviously thought he was racing. I could maybe understand it a little if he was BB and it had folded round but in his situation it's a fold everytime for me.

[ACE2M]

in the BB i snap call here

[Longy]

in the BB i snap call here

With kq?

[ACE2M]

in the BB i snap call here

With kq?

yep, everytime.