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« on: March 29, 2008, 06:01:47 PM »

Anyone else play this regularly enough? I've started playing 2/4, 3/6 and some 5/10 when it's around. Would like it if I had someone to talk about hands, etc.
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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2008, 06:34:16 PM »

u should try them in dealer's choice...action glore...not like the passive chasers online
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2008, 06:36:41 PM »

gryffles use to play it , i play odd times but not to your level
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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2008, 06:48:17 PM »

starting hand requirements are 80% of the game imo. I played stud for over 10 years before I even discovered omaha or texas btw and its probably my favourite game.
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2008, 06:56:11 PM »

Ive had some success in Stud Hi Lo 
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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2008, 07:17:55 PM »

starting hand requirements are 80% of the game imo. I played stud for over 10 years before I even discovered omaha or texas btw and its probably my favourite game.

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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2008, 07:17:56 PM »

u should try them in dealer's choice...action glore...not like the passive chasers online

Isn't that more super stud?
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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2008, 07:41:36 PM »

u should try them in dealer's choice...action glore...not like the passive chasers online

Isn't that more super stud?

an what do you think superstud is? its hilo stud with a little boost to hep you with your starting hand. If you dont know the difference between your 235s v your QQJ you can call it whatever you want- you aint gonna win at the game.
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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2008, 07:42:16 PM »

they do play stud hi/lo in DC and super stud is just stud hi/lo with better starting hands which makes hand selection the most important thing. I dont think I've played either game long enough to be 'pro' but i did spent alot of time working out odds for many situations.
stud is not as complicated as holdem or omaha, to me, its the most mathematically based game.
Its a shame that stud is not being played much these days, I'm sure the pros will have a bigger edge in stud than say holdem.
and whats the deal with stud being PL or NL in uk? its a limit game!!!
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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2008, 07:48:52 PM »

u should try them in dealer's choice...action glore...not like the passive chasers online

Isn't that more super stud?

an what do you think superstud is? its hilo stud with a little boost to hep you with your starting hand. If you dont know the difference between your 235s v your QQJ you can call it whatever you want- you aint gonna win at the game.

5-3-2 is 5 high, Q-Q-J is a pair of Queens with a Jack high kicker obv. Wink
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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2008, 07:52:20 PM »

i wonder if anyone's actually done the maths for DC games like the depth that's available everywhere for holdem and omaha? the maths aspect of holdem and omaha has really changed the way everyone approach holdem and omaha and has really risen all standards of poker. But DC games are usually being played by the same groups of pple and i very much doubt even the season pros at DC games knows much about the true odds of a lot of different situations...
eg i done some maths for super stud and found out that high hands are more sometimes more profitable than pple think...the standard thought is that u have to play a low hand thats capable of winning a high as well..dont go for only half the pot. But true odds show that HU a high hand is almost always favourite over the low drawing hand. And most pple always forget that if u start with 3 low cards, it'll outdraw made high hands a low percentage of the time and also they make low hands less than 50% of the time...this makes some high starting hands playable and show profit in the long term.
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2008, 12:09:53 PM »

I understand that High hands can be profitable in a multiway pot.

The one thing I was told is that "A high hand can never improve to win both high and low, whereas a low hand can improve to make a high hand aswell" - pretty obvious really but worth mentioning for beginners
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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2008, 12:24:10 PM »

I understand that High hands can be profitable in a multiway pot.

The one thing I was told is that "A high hand can never improve to win both high and low, whereas a low hand can improve to make a high hand aswell" - pretty obvious really but worth mentioning for beginners

Surely high hands are more profitable HU? There won't always be a low hand, but there will always be a high hand.
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« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2008, 02:16:04 PM »

gryffles use to play it , i play odd times but not to your level

I did Smiley I changed name kinda surprised someone remembers that I mentioned it here given I'm an online guy and dont know anyone here IRL.
I played 1/2-3/6 on stars a ton for a decent winrate. I'm playing NL now a lot more and havnt played much stud8 lately.

I think the keys to stud8 are understanding your equity vs an opponents hand ( www.twodimes.net has a stud8 equity calculator which is incredibly useful for getting your play street by street in order as your equity changes immensely across the streets.

The second key is really paying attention to your opponents: for example Player A will fold 4th if he misses and you catch good, player B will not fold 4th if he misses and you catch good - you can bluff player A with scary boards and steal from him a ton when you're in late position and can steal - not so much from player B.

The biggest mistakes you will see are people not folding on early streets and folding too much on 7th.

to reply to a few of the points people have mentioned.

#1Instigator - To put it simply yes, www.twodimes.net has equity calcs, the better players will not only know their odds to hit various draws but also their equity on every street and will put in really thing 52/48 type bets in.

M3boy - high hands become much more profitable in shorthanded play. In an 8 handed game with JJ3 in first position you can safely muck, in a three handed game you should be raising.  Its crucial to stud8 success online to understand how the dynamics change as you go add another player to the game as the game plays 8 handed and the player pool isnt incredibly deep which means games can frequently break or play shorthanded for hours. Not like 9 handed hold'em where if a table gets short handed you can join the other 5 billion tables.

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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2008, 02:23:24 PM »

starting hand requirements are 80% of the game imo. I played stud for over 10 years before I even discovered omaha or texas btw and its probably my favourite game.

spot on

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