More PLO... Anyone pass this turn?

[NoflopsHomer]

There are other hands he can have.

If we just look at the NFD hands he can have:

2 pair, ether flopped or turned.
set, more likely to be the turned set.
big combo draws A25 56 567

He could have set out with a bad flush draw and turned a wrap, he could be a complete donk making a complete donk move as well.

I would personally expect to see AK4 here with the nfd a lot of the time.

If i had the  in my hand then i can make an argument towards passing.

I think a hand like is certainly possible. Generally, the games tend to be very loose both pre and post flop, people calling with gutshots for the idiot end of a straight draw on two-flush boards is quite common. (Look how many people call me on the flop!). That's why I'd always err on the side of calling here unless my notes said otherwise.

[Royal Flush]

If i had your hand with the ace of spades and a 3 in it then i think its super marginal and i would probably pass.

[NoflopsHomer]

And people do shove on the turn occasionally with the n-flush draw...(from the same session as the op hand)

Full Tilt Poker Game #6096103295: Table Coburn (6 max) - $1/$2 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 13:47:07 ET - 2008/04/19
Seat 1: Dimsey ($198.10)
Seat 2: martenJ ($214.65)
Seat 3: Foaming_Homer ($297.95)
Seat 4: Ronja2000 ($473.90)
Seat 5: davidp55 ($202.05)
Seat 6: rincas ($200)
davidp55 posts the small blind of $1
rincas posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Foaming_Homer [ ]
Dimsey calls $2
martenJ calls $2
Foaming_Homer has 15 seconds left to act
Foaming_Homer raises to $11
Ronja2000 folds
davidp55 has 15 seconds left to act
davidp55 calls $10
rincas folds
Dimsey calls $9
martenJ folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
davidp55 checks
Dimsey checks
Foaming_Homer checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
davidp55 checks
Dimsey checks
Foaming_Homer bets $28
davidp55 has 15 seconds left to act
davidp55 calls $28
Dimsey raises to $149
Foaming_Homer raises to $286.95, and is all in
davidp55 has 15 seconds left to act
davidp55 folds
Dimsey has 15 seconds left to act
Dimsey calls $38.10, and is all in
Foaming_Homer shows [ ]
Dimsey shows [ ]
Uncalled bet of $99.85 returned to Foaming_Homer
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Foaming_Homer shows a straight, Nine high
Dimsey shows two pair, Sevens and Sixes
Foaming_Homer wins the pot ($436.20) with a straight, Nine high

[doubleup]

No way that hand is anything like the first. 

I am just back from a party and 2 experienced plo players put villain on kk instantly.  It's really not that bad a play from him and actually used to be quite commonplace.  You have to ask yourself why is this guy playing full ring?  He doesn't like variance and probably plays more multiway pots than a 6 max player, so for him waiting till the turn is probably a standard play.

[totalise]

the only other explanation is that he picked up a massive draw on the turn that figures to have more then 33% equity, and thus ships it in on the turn to get 2/1 on his stack (ie if you and the flat caller both stack off with him) when his equity is better then that. A play on the come, but because of his equity in the hand. Not sure if NFD plus wrap on the turn has that much equity, but that is another reason why people could ship it in without top set in spots like this.

[Royal Flush]

I am just back from a party and 2 experienced plo players put villain on kk instantly.

Sounds like a good party!!

the only other explanation is that he picked up a massive draw on the turn that figures to have more then 33% equity, and thus ships it in on the turn to get 2/1 on his stack (ie if you and the flat caller both stack off with him) when his equity is better then that. A play on the come, but because of his equity in the hand. Not sure if NFD plus wrap on the turn has that much equity, but that is another reason why people could ship it in without top set in spots like this.

People play bad, also its possible homer will pass when he raises...

[totalise]

they definitely do, and I think you should suck it up and stack off, was just offering a different perspective to "they can only have KKxx if they are a good player"

Sounds like a good party!!

lolol

[GlasgowBandit]

wowowowowowow

never ever ever pass here ever.

I think i summed it up well...

Hem - what do you put him on?

NF draw, I think its impossible to put him on top set there.

Nut flush draw?. with what else? bottom set?..straight draw? he has a bare nut flush draw about 0% of the time here if he's a decent PLO player.

Nobody said he was a good player. 
And you need to play more PLO Boldie if you don't see people shipping it in with a bare NF draw.  I'm thinking bare BFD on the flop in whats not a dodgy board.

Also I find that in a lot of PLO games KKXX is raisng pre flop, thats why I can't put him on top set.  On the turn it opens up to a NFD, Straight draw, wrap etc

[doubleup]

I am just back from a party and 2 experienced plo players put villain on kk instantly.

Sounds like a good party!!

Yea and I was asked had to leave early as well.

[doubleup]

the only other explanation is that he picked up a massive draw on the turn that figures to have more then 33% equity, and thus ships it in on the turn to get 2/1 on his stack (ie if you and the flat caller both stack off with him) when his equity is better then that. A play on the come, but because of his equity in the hand. Not sure if NFD plus wrap on the turn has that much equity, but that is another reason why people could ship it in without top set in spots like this.

And what does the flat caller have that would entice him into this melange of gambling madness?

[doubleup]

Also even if he has a big draw 50% of the time calling is a losing play

[boldie]

wowowowowowow

never ever ever pass here ever.

I think i summed it up well...

Hem - what do you put him on?

NF draw, I think its impossible to put him on top set there.

Nut flush draw?. with what else? bottom set?..straight draw? he has a bare nut flush draw about 0% of the time here if he's a decent PLO player.

Nobody said he was a good player. 
And you need to play more PLO Boldie if you don't see people shipping it in with a bare NF draw.  I'm thinking bare BFD on the flop in whats not a dodgy board.

Also I find that in a lot of PLO games KKXX is raisng pre flop, thats why I can't put him on top set.  On the turn it opens up to a NFD, Straight draw, wrap etc

A bare NF draw raises the flop..not a blank turn..

I didn't say a good player..I said decent..and decent means he will not shove a bare NF draw on the turn.

[Sunday8pm]

wowowowowowow

never ever ever pass here ever.

I think i summed it up well...

Hem - what do you put him on?

NF draw, I think its impossible to put him on top set there.

Nut flush draw?. with what else? bottom set?..straight draw? he has a bare nut flush draw about 0% of the time here if he's a decent PLO player.

Nobody said he was a good player. 
And you need to play more PLO Boldie if you don't see people shipping it in with a bare NF draw. I'm thinking bare BFD on the flop in whats not a dodgy board.

Also I find that in a lot of PLO games KKXX is raisng pre flop, thats why I can't put him on top set.  On the turn it opens up to a NFD, Straight draw, wrap etc

A bare NF draw raises the flop..not a blank turn..

I didn't say a good player..I said decent..and decent means he will not shove a bare NF draw on the turn.

Boldie you make no sense at all.

A good player adapts to different players. Therefore a good player could raise the turn with the bare nut flush draw, if he thinks Homer will pass. A bad player will raise the turn with the nut flush draw in the HOPE that Homer will pass. Hell they are sometimes bad enough to not even care if they get called or not.

I know a very very good lag 2000nl player who takes this line a lot in hold em. Call flop with flush draws and raise turn if they hit/miss. The amount of respect compared to raising the flop is much greater.

Omaha you must understand is so much more player dependant than hold em. If raising the turn with the bare nut flush draw works against some opponents and you are sure of this. Then it is a good play, executed by a good player.

Hope i make sense.