Okay society you win- Diary of a fat boy

[Snatiramas]

...took the kids to the Imperial War Museum. Fascinating stuff.


Is the Holocaust exhibition still there Snat, what did the kids think of it? (How old are they btw?)

Indeed it is. I wouldn't let Rachel go in as she is only 9. The advertised age is 14. Adam who is 12 went in with Anne Marie. Of course his knowledge of the holocaust is above average for fairly obvious reasons. Our main motivaion was to go and see the Ian Fleming exhibition. Which was okay but it lacked a bit of content. I actually didn't know that there was a holocaust exhibition there. I felt priveliged as I realised that I lived in a country that does not forget. For all its faults. We are blessed in this country with our museums they are really magnificent. The kids would live in the science museum if I gave them the chance.

Snat, Ever since Gypsies were recognised as an ethnic group, we have been wrngling with the government over how a Gypsy is defined.

Their proposed definition includes people who travel in persuit of their living (Which actually doesn't exclude your good self) We of course object. (Not to you, to the definition)

Anyway, it got me thinking. How is a Jew defined in law, and how does one Jew define another?

Within mainstream Jewish religious communities
According to Rabbinical Jewish law (Halakha), only a convert or a child born to a Jewish mother is counted as Jewish. Although an infant conversion might be contemplated in some circumstances (such as in the case of adopted children or children whose parents convert), children who convert would typically be asked if they want to remain Jewish after reaching religious adulthood, which is 12 years old for a girl, 13 for a boy. This standard is applied within Orthodox and Conservative Judaism, which accept Halakha as normative.[1][2]

[Snatiramas]

and then there are all the splinter groups.............now it gets really tricky.......I have no idea how we are viewed in UK law but I think I might trundle off and spend a happy half hour trying to find out.

[kinboshi]

But you can be classed as 'Jewish' without believing in Judaism.  This is where the racial/cultural definition of a Jew differs from the religious one. 

[RED-DOG]

and then there are all the splinter groups.............now it gets really tricky.......

Hahahaha!  Tell me about it.

[Snatiramas]

This one is a belter

DE JUDAISMO, STATUTUM - The name of a statute passed in the reign of Edw. I., which enacted severe and absurd penalties against the Jews.

The Jews were exceedingly oppressed during the middle ages throughout Christendom, and are so still in some countries. In France, a Jew was a serf, and his person and goods belonged to the baron on whose demesnes he lived. He could not change his domicil without permission of the baron, who could pursue him as a fugitive even on the domains of the king. Like an article of commerce, he might be lent or hired for a time, or mortgaged. If he became a Christian, his conversion was considered a larceny of the lord, and his property and goods were confiscated. They were allowed to utter their prayers only in a low voice and without chanting. They were not allowed to appear in public without some badge or mark of distinction. Christians were forbidden to employ Jews of either sex as domestics, physicians or surgeons. Admission to the bar was forbidden to Jews. They were obliged to appear in court in person, when they demanded justice for a wrong done them, and it was deemed disgraceful to an advocate to undertake the cause of a Jew. If a Jew appeared in court against a Christian, he was obliged to swear by the ten names of God, and invoke a thousand imprecations against himself, if he spoke not the truth. Sexual intercourse between a Christian man and a Jewess was deemed a crime against nature, and was punishable with death by burning.

In the fifth book of the Decretals, it is provided that if a Jew have a servant that desireth to be a Christian, the Jew shall be compelled to sell him to a Christian for twelve pence that it shall not be lawful for them to take any Christian to be their servant that they may repair their old synagogues, but not build new - that it shall not be lawful for them to open their doors, or windows on good Friday; that their wives neither have Christian nurses, nor themselves be nurses to Christian women - that they wear different apparel from the Christians, whereby they may be known


No change there then

[Snatiramas]

But you can be classed as 'Jewish' without believing in Judaism.  This is where the racial/cultural definition of a Jew differs from the religious one. 

So true. You only had to watch Michael Sophocles performance when trying to buy a kosher chicken on The Apprentice to see that. It really is a conundrum. To be born of a Jewish mother is the key for Jewish definition and it was based on the fact that the father could have been one of many but the mother on the other hand....nuff said. Hitler went back three generations on the mothers side in his "Final solution of the Jewish question".

Another point may be the number of people who call themselves Church of England when they really have no religious observance. In the news this week there was a story that church going had dropped to 10% of the population. It probably isn't that much higher in the Jewish religion. Religion would appear to be even more unpopular than ever. Personally I think this is a shame as there are many positives to be found in all religions. It is not religion that causes wars and hatred just intolerance

[Rod Paradise]

This one is a belter

DE JUDAISMO, STATUTUM - The name of a statute passed in the reign of Edw. I., which enacted severe and absurd penalties against the Jews.

The Jews were exceedingly oppressed during the middle ages throughout Christendom, and are so still in some countries. In France, a Jew was a serf, and his person and goods belonged to the baron on whose demesnes he lived. He could not change his domicil without permission of the baron, who could pursue him as a fugitive even on the domains of the king. Like an article of commerce, he might be lent or hired for a time, or mortgaged. If he became a Christian, his conversion was considered a larceny of the lord, and his property and goods were confiscated. They were allowed to utter their prayers only in a low voice and without chanting. They were not allowed to appear in public without some badge or mark of distinction. Christians were forbidden to employ Jews of either sex as domestics, physicians or surgeons. Admission to the bar was forbidden to Jews. They were obliged to appear in court in person, when they demanded justice for a wrong done them, and it was deemed disgraceful to an advocate to undertake the cause of a Jew. If a Jew appeared in court against a Christian, he was obliged to swear by the ten names of God, and invoke a thousand imprecations against himself, if he spoke not the truth. Sexual intercourse between a Christian man and a Jewess was deemed a crime against nature, and was punishable with death by burning.

In the fifth book of the Decretals, it is provided that if a Jew have a servant that desireth to be a Christian, the Jew shall be compelled to sell him to a Christian for twelve pence that it shall not be lawful for them to take any Christian to be their servant that they may repair their old synagogues, but not build new - that it shall not be lawful for them to open their doors, or windows on good Friday; that their wives neither have Christian nurses, nor themselves be nurses to Christian women - that they wear different apparel from the Christians, whereby they may be known


No change there then

He was an evil bastard all round Snat - one of his crimes being the sack of Berwick where he had everyone, man, woman & child killed because they wouldn't submit to him.

It's a shame he didn't get the death his boy did - red hot poker up anus.

[Claw75]

and then there are all the splinter groups

The Judean Popular Front?

[kinboshi]

and then there are all the splinter groups

The Judean Popular Front?

Fk off.  Judean People's Front. We're the People's Front of Judea!

[Snatiramas]

and then there are all the splinter groups

The Judean Popular Front?

Fk off.  Judean People's Front. We're the People's Front of Judea!

Splitters

[Claw75]

not to mention the people's popular front.

[bobby1]

not to mention the people's popular front.

Whatever happened to them?


'hes over there'

[kinboshi]

not to mention the people's popular front.

Whatever happened to them?


'hes over there'

Splitter!!

[Snatiramas]

Wolf nipple chips

[bobby1]

get em while there hot, they're lovely!!