Talking a player into calling

[Grier78]

Lets say you have KK and reraise someone all in pre-flop and they deliberate about calling (so they dont have AA), should you A: try to talk them into calling, B: talk them out of calling or C: keep quiet?

In another situation in Omaha on the turn you have the Nut straight and the Nut flush draw on an unpaired board and move all in do you A: try to talk them into calling, B: talk them out of calling or C: keep quiet?

[Royal Flush]

errr, do everything i can to get them to call

[Longy]

Why would you want to talk them out of calling when your at least a 70/30 fave?

Having said that if I have to listen to another live donk say something along the lines " I didn't want a caller, i always get beat on aces", i might throttle them as favour to mankind.

[bolt pp]

Having said that if I have to listen to another live donk say something along the lines " I didn't want a caller, i always get beat on aces", i might throttle them as favour to mankind.

lol yeah

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Whats mick foley got to do with this?

[AndrewT]

I think what Grier is getting at is are people more likely to do what you tell them to, or do the opposite of what you tell them.

Will imploring your opponent to call actually make them more likely to fold?

[Laxie]

Is there a belief among poker players that -

saying 'call' really means 'I hope you fold'

speaking means their hand is strong

and vice versa for both of those situations?

Personally, I base my decision on a whole lot of things that have nothing to do with the above, but is there really some sort of truth to all of this?

[MANTIS01]

Silence is consistent and silence is unreadable, so this is the approach I favour. You may talk someone into calling today and think that's a success, but showing 9 others what you say/do to get x result probably isn't in your longterm best interests if you play at the same place.

I've found that people are more inclined to fold if you don't speak because their own doubts rise to the surface during the silence and if you give them long enough to think they talk themselves into folding. If I wanted a call in isolation in this hand I would talk a lot about both calling and folding.

[DUNK619]

Whats mick foley got to do with this?

nice wrestling joke i appreciated it

[Grier78]

I think what I really want to hear your opinions on is whether its better to win a mid size pot for no risk (i.e. they fold) or a big pot with an element of risk although the odds are still firmly on your side.

With the KK the pot was smallish 900 (small blind 100, big blind 200 and an early position raise of 600) with me going all in for about 3000. So if they fold I have 3900, if they call I win I have 6300 and they call I lose I have 0.
For the omaha I put in 1500 into a pot of about 2500. So if they fold I have 4000, if they call I win I have 5500 and if they call I lose I have 0.

I do think that you always want a call if you know you def have the best of it (which is what I was working for). I actually tried the old please call me trick to try and make it look like I didn't want a call and it seemed to work although I lost both pots.

[AlexMartin]

i never have this problem so couldnt tell you.

[MANTIS01]

If I have K-K and my oppo doesn't have A-A I want the gamble nomatter what the pot-size. There's a few unique sat situations where I wouldn't, but 99.9% of the time I want it and want it badly.

[gatso]

If I have K-K and my oppo doesn't have A-A I want the gamble nomatter what the pot-size. There's a few unique sat situations where I wouldn't, but 99.9% of the time I want it and want it badly.

[Grier78]

Actually thinking about this a bit harder, you always want your opponents to make the wrong decision, so if they have pot odds to call you want them to fold and vice versa.

[LeKnave]

Whats mick foley got to do with this?

pmsl.