Ugh, very well played sir. Throws up.

[action man]

 

[Newmanseye]

this sums up the direction of the thread

[The_nun]

As for the ridicule. At I guess I think you refer to when you were saying you are a Pro and I asked what you deemed a pro. ? and does this mean we are all Pro's in every job we do. Well yes I guess so. You were right we are all professional in our jobs.

[action man]

having thought about this for longer, i would go as far to say that opening/folding here is a big mistake, borderline tez. Raise call is defo the most +ev play

shoving = no because we get loads of hands that shove on us in this situation out and we are turning 99 into a bluff
limping = no because we get bluffed off a lot of flops by villain after inevitably the shortstack waits for a clash
open folding = never ever
opening/folding = very weak were playing 3 handed we have 99, come on peeps with the situation here i know a lot of players who would be shoving ATC here

[doubleup]

Worst case scenario is 50% ftw and with the money already in the pot there is no reason to contemplate folding.  

Mantis - either you are extraordinarily stupid or you have some congenital mental defect that makes it impossible for your brain to assimilate written words into thoughts when these thoughts conflict with your opinions.  

Do you honestly think that I don't believe that this is a call if the only consideration was amassing chips?  

Why do you think I am waffling about ICM and $ equity and ranges?  Could it be that in some situations in tournament poker the obvious answer isn't always the right one?

[action man]

Worst case scenario is 50% ftw and with the money already in the pot there is no reason to contemplate folding.  

Mantis - either you are extraordinarily stupid or you have some congenital mental defect that makes it impossible for your brain to assimilate written words into thoughts when these thoughts conflict with your opinions.  

Do you honestly think that I don't believe that this is a call if the only consideration was amassing chips?  

Why do you think I am waffling about ICM and $ equity and ranges? Could it be that in some situations in tournament poker the obvious answer isn't always the right one?

your right, but this isnt one of those situations imo

[boldie]

Anyone limping pre rather than standard open raise?

limping with a view to re-shoving the flop if someone raises? just limping is awful here.

I don't think just limping here is bad, it disguises the strength of our hand and it gives us options to re-access were we are in the hand, I don't think the big stack shoves to win the 2k we put in i think he probably raises and then I am looking to shove.  99 is not the worse hand to play a 3 handed flop with.   

Like I said, if you think SB or BB will raise pre-flop I don't mind your limp as you can shove on him then..but just limping to see a flop with pocket 9's at the end stages of a tourney I just don't like.

[doubleup]

Worst case scenario is 50% ftw and with the money already in the pot there is no reason to contemplate folding.  

Mantis - either you are extraordinarily stupid or you have some congenital mental defect that makes it impossible for your brain to assimilate written words into thoughts when these thoughts conflict with your opinions.  

Do you honestly think that I don't believe that this is a call if the only consideration was amassing chips?  

Why do you think I am waffling about ICM and $ equity and ranges? Could it be that in some situations in tournament poker the obvious answer isn't always the right one?

your right, but this isnt one of those situations imo

ok I'll try another approach- do you agree this is a fold if he has 2 overcards?

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: doubleup

Mantis - either you are extraordinarily stupid or you have some congenital mental defect that makes it impossible for your brain to assimilate written words into thoughts when these thoughts conflict with your opinions. 

Do you honestly think that I don't believe that this is a call if the only consideration was amassing chips? 

Why do you think I am waffling about ICM and $ equity and ranges?  Could it be that in some situations in tournament poker the obvious answer isn't always the right one?

doubleup it is that additional criteria that the Villain is using to pressure you out of the hand and ultimately out of contention. So while I recognise the additional elements of the situation I am not prepared to use them as a crutch to limp away from this confrontation. I repeat...those additional elements build a stronger case for calling rather than folding.

I would say as well that amassing chips is a pretty fundamental requirement of winning tournaments. And you have a very good chance to amass all the chips right now.

You may consider my strat stupid but once I know you will fold almost every hand because of your own laddering thought process you would be facing a lot of heat. So you're only folding here to get stepped on. I'm not folding the best hand to 2 overs. Are you folding to 6-6?

[gatso]

cba to reread the entire thread but I know that the open/fold has at least been considered. I don't like it and am probs calling here but-

if we're thinking of open/folding would we not be better off opening for less than 3.5 BB?

[action man]

Worst case scenario is 50% ftw and with the money already in the pot there is no reason to contemplate folding.  

Mantis - either you are extraordinarily stupid or you have some congenital mental defect that makes it impossible for your brain to assimilate written words into thoughts when these thoughts conflict with your opinions.  

Do you honestly think that I don't believe that this is a call if the only consideration was amassing chips?  

Why do you think I am waffling about ICM and $ equity and ranges? Could it be that in some situations in tournament poker the obvious answer isn't always the right one?

your right, but this isnt one of those situations imo

ok I'll try another approach- do you agree this is a fold if he has 2 overcards?

certainly not, i have money invested and its a 50/50 for basically the tourney

[boldie]

cba to reread the entire thread but I know that the open/fold has at least been considered. I don't like it and am probs calling here but-

if we're thinking of open/folding would we not be better off opening for less than 3.5 BB?

yes..good point.

[doubleup]

certainly not, i have money invested and its a 50/50 for basically the tourney

Using ICM equity I think it is a fold - your equity is $1334 if you fold and vs any 2 overs its 1306.  (ok a bit closer than I thought.....)

[doubleup]

Posted by: doubleup

Mantis - either you are extraordinarily stupid or you have some congenital mental defect that makes it impossible for your brain to assimilate written words into thoughts when these thoughts conflict with your opinions. 

Do you honestly think that I don't believe that this is a call if the only consideration was amassing chips? 

Why do you think I am waffling about ICM and $ equity and ranges?  Could it be that in some situations in tournament poker the obvious answer isn't always the right one?

doubleup it is that additional criteria that the Villain is using to pressure you out of the hand and ultimately out of contention. So while I recognise the additional elements of the situation I am not prepared to use them as a crutch to limp away from this confrontation. I repeat...those additional elements build a stronger case for calling rather than folding.

I would say as well that amassing chips is a pretty fundamental requirement of winning tournaments. And you have a very good chance to amass all the chips right now.

You may consider my strat stupid but once I know you will fold almost every hand because of your own laddering thought process you would be facing a lot of heat. So you're only folding here to get stepped on. I'm not folding the best hand to 2 overs. Are you folding to 6-6?

ok I'll go for the congenital defect option.

[action man]

certainly not, i have money invested and its a 50/50 for basically the tourney

Using ICM equity I think it is a fold - your equity is $1334 if you fold and vs any 2 overs its 1306.  (ok a bit closer than I thought.....)

i could not bring myself to open/fold 99 3 handed vs imo, a huge range, i'd feel ashamed to fold it tbh