Controversial Poll illegal Drugs

[DUNK619]

do you seriously think legalising heroin will stop addicts buying unpure heroin for a cheaper  price from a dodgy source. I dont imo

Nope, I didnt say legalise all drugs. Crack and Heroin cant be legalised as they are on a different level of a danger to health than E and Coke but if E & C were legalised then the police wouldnt have to waste time on dealing with them.

Its only hypothetical anyway as obv it will never happen.

My main issue is why we look at Tobacco and Alcohol differently to some of the lighter drugs. It makes no sense whatsoever.

crack and heroin should be the first ones they legalise because they cause so much harm in society. You could restrict the market quickly and close it down. You could not have an open market here - only for current addicts. Coke would be a hard one to legalise to get rid of the market so I reckon you would have to have some type of legal market for it but with coke you can make crack so this ones not so easy to sew up......need to think of a way round this one!

so you dont think any of this free heroin would get sold or shared

[madasahatstand]

do you seriously think legalising heroin will stop addicts buying unpure heroin for a cheaper  price from a dodgy source. I dont imo

Nope, I didnt say legalise all drugs. Crack and Heroin cant be legalised as they are on a different level of a danger to health than E and Coke but if E & C were legalised then the police wouldnt have to waste time on dealing with them.

Its only hypothetical anyway as obv it will never happen.

My main issue is why we look at Tobacco and Alcohol differently to some of the lighter drugs. It makes no sense whatsoever.

crack and heroin should be the first ones they legalise because they cause so much harm in society. You could restrict the market quickly and close it down. You could not have an open market here - only for current addicts. Coke would be a hard one to legalise to get rid of the market so I reckon you would have to have some type of legal market for it but with coke you can make crack so this ones not so easy to sew up......need to think of a way round this one!

so you dont think any of this free heroin would get sold or shared

not if you supervised the consumption. they have tried this n some european countries and found illict use can be stopped altogether as long as there is good access to clean prescribed d rugs

[DUNK619]

do you seriously think legalising heroin will stop addicts buying unpure heroin for a cheaper  price from a dodgy source. I dont imo

Nope, I didnt say legalise all drugs. Crack and Heroin cant be legalised as they are on a different level of a danger to health than E and Coke but if E & C were legalised then the police wouldnt have to waste time on dealing with them.

Its only hypothetical anyway as obv it will never happen.

My main issue is why we look at Tobacco and Alcohol differently to some of the lighter drugs. It makes no sense whatsoever.

crack and heroin should be the first ones they legalise because they cause so much harm in society. You could restrict the market quickly and close it down. You could not have an open market here - only for current addicts. Coke would be a hard one to legalise to get rid of the market so I reckon you would have to have some type of legal market for it but with coke you can make crack so this ones not so easy to sew up......need to think of a way round this one!

so you dont think any of this free heroin would get sold or shared

not if you supervised the consumption. they have tried this n some european countries and found illict use can be stopped altogether as long as there is good access to clean prescribed d rugs

what happens when there is no more addicts. drug dealers will get people hooked on it again.  some dodgy people are making too much money from these drugs to let it stop. all they would have to do is give some away get peope hooked and watch it escalate and the money come rollin in

[boldie]

do you seriously think legalising heroin will stop addicts buying unpure heroin for a cheaper  price from a dodgy source. I dont imo

Nope, I didnt say legalise all drugs. Crack and Heroin cant be legalised as they are on a different level of a danger to health than E and Coke but if E & C were legalised then the police wouldnt have to waste time on dealing with them.

Its only hypothetical anyway as obv it will never happen.

My main issue is why we look at Tobacco and Alcohol differently to some of the lighter drugs. It makes no sense whatsoever.

crack and heroin should be the first ones they legalise because they cause so much harm in society. You could restrict the market quickly and close it down. You could not have an open market here - only for current addicts. Coke would be a hard one to legalise to get rid of the market so I reckon you would have to have some type of legal market for it but with coke you can make crack so this ones not so easy to sew up......need to think of a way round this one!

so you dont think any of this free heroin would get sold or shared

not if you supervised the consumption. they have tried this n some european countries and found illict use can be stopped altogether as long as there is good access to clean prescribed d rugs

please name me 2 of these countries.

There is a case to be made for the legalisation for drugs but it sure as hell doesn't go for all drugs. Legalise soft drugs and the step to hard drugs becomes much bigger..legalising hard drugs is madness and not even advocated in liberal countries (like Holland) unless it is in a distribution program.

[AndrewT]

Good post ALex!!

I don't agree with personality type though. I think its more to do with who you are and where you are in life. If you have very little confidence or self esteem and find coke or E gives you some then its highly likely you will try it again. If you are in emotional pain and try smack you will find it helps take that away so might be more likely to try it again. If you find it difficult to relax and find smoking a spliff helps then you are likely to try it again. Montado was in a bad place and tried something to cheer himself up. I think at vunerable points in our lives we are more at risk of dependant use and I include passing over to adulthood or finding your confidence within that.

This is a great thread

It is about personality type - some people just are weak-willed, they have addictive personalities. Whether it be alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, food, affection, gambling, some people are unable to moderate their consumption of things which have a short-term euphoric effect.

There are many people who take drugs, even heroin, from 'time to time' without getting addicted. It doesn't affect their work or relationships as they moderate their use. These are the people the anti-drugs campaigners don't want you to know about. They prefer the 'take smack once and you'll turn into an addict' message, as they think it's more effective.

However, what they miss is that pushing such a message allows the drugtaker to absolve themselves of any responsibility for their actions, that there's something inevitable about their addiction as the power of the drug is so strong. It's not, it's that the drug-taker allows themselves to be weak and submits to the drug.

[madasahatstand]

do you seriously think legalising heroin will stop addicts buying unpure heroin for a cheaper  price from a dodgy source. I dont imo

Nope, I didnt say legalise all drugs. Crack and Heroin cant be legalised as they are on a different level of a danger to health than E and Coke but if E & C were legalised then the police wouldnt have to waste time on dealing with them.

Its only hypothetical anyway as obv it will never happen.

My main issue is why we look at Tobacco and Alcohol differently to some of the lighter drugs. It makes no sense whatsoever.

crack and heroin should be the first ones they legalise because they cause so much harm in society. You could restrict the market quickly and close it down. You could not have an open market here - only for current addicts. Coke would be a hard one to legalise to get rid of the market so I reckon you would have to have some type of legal market for it but with coke you can make crack so this ones not so easy to sew up......need to think of a way round this one!

so you dont think any of this free heroin would get sold or shared

not if you supervised the consumption. they have tried this n some european countries and found illict use can be stopped altogether as long as there is good access to clean prescribed d rugs

what happens when there is no more addicts. drug dealers will get people hooked on it again.  some dodgy people are making too much money from these drugs to let it stop. all they would have to do is give some away get peope hooked and watch it escalate and the money come rollin in

who will they target with free drugs?

do you seriously think legalising heroin will stop addicts buying unpure heroin for a cheaper  price from a dodgy source. I dont imo

Nope, I didnt say legalise all drugs. Crack and Heroin cant be legalised as they are on a different level of a danger to health than E and Coke but if E & C were legalised then the police wouldnt have to waste time on dealing with them.

Its only hypothetical anyway as obv it will never happen.

My main issue is why we look at Tobacco and Alcohol differently to some of the lighter drugs. It makes no sense whatsoever.

crack and heroin should be the first ones they legalise because they cause so much harm in society. You could restrict the market quickly and close it down. You could not have an open market here - only for current addicts. Coke would be a hard one to legalise to get rid of the market so I reckon you would have to have some type of legal market for it but with coke you can make crack so this ones not so easy to sew up......need to think of a way round this one!

so you dont think any of this free heroin would get sold or shared

not if you supervised the consumption. they have tried this n some european countries and found illict use can be stopped altogether as long as there is good access to clean prescribed d rugs

please name me 2 of these countries.

There is a case to be made for the legalisation for drugs but it sure as hell doesn't go for all drugs. Legalise soft drugs and the step to hard drugs becomes much bigger..legalising hard drugs is madness and not even advocated in liberal countries (like Holland) unless it is in a distribution program.

Yes I'm talking about distribution programmes and your own country is researching this along with Denmark, Germany, Switzerland and many more after recognising that methadone is not doing a good enough job. How can you jump straight to legalisation without proving heroin prescribing actually works? You can't because most people don't know a lot about these things and just see drugs as bad. Heroin prescribing also is researched in England I'm sure. If you want details I'm sure I can get some papers on it for you. I didn't say these countries had legalised heroin but are prescribing it to good effect


this link tells you the effect in Switzerland

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/ontv/theinsider/heroin+on+the+nhs/649957


bummer I need to go out now - have a good debate all.

[tantrum]

legalize, give a free choice and let the poor countries to make some money.

[madasahatstand]

Good post ALex!!

I don't agree with personality type though. I think its more to do with who you are and where you are in life. If you have very little confidence or self esteem and find coke or E gives you some then its highly likely you will try it again. If you are in emotional pain and try smack you will find it helps take that away so might be more likely to try it again. If you find it difficult to relax and find smoking a spliff helps then you are likely to try it again. Montado was in a bad place and tried something to cheer himself up. I think at vunerable points in our lives we are more at risk of dependant use and I include passing over to adulthood or finding your confidence within that.

This is a great thread

It is about personality type - some people just are weak-willed, they have addictive personalities. Whether it be alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, food, affection, gambling, some people are unable to moderate their consumption of things which have a short-term euphoric effect.

There are many people who take drugs, even heroin, from 'time to time' without getting addicted. It doesn't affect their work or relationships as they moderate their use. These are the people the anti-drugs campaigners don't want you to know about. They prefer the 'take smack once and you'll turn into an addict' message, as they think it's more effective.

However, what they miss is that pushing such a message allows the drugtaker to absolve themselves of any responsibility for their actions, that there's something inevitable about their addiction as the power of the drug is so strong. It's not, it's that the drug-taker allows themselves to be weak and submits to the drug.

I dont agree. Do you know any recreational heroin users? I'd say you dont get many of them at all.......

[Royal Flush]

I do enjoy cannabis and coke, there is no way i am going to be doing heroin any time soon, can't see the gateway argument, except as mad says it can introduce you to the wrong people, as such i have always been a fan of mass legalization.

Drugs being sold in a controlled manner would be a lot better for society, not to mention they would be cleaner drugs and a lot cheaper!

[cia260895]

As i have previously stated I have smoked puff/weed for about 20 odd years now,why did i start?because it helped block out a lot of shit that went through my head whilst trying to sleep,and in saying that I have never once ever tried coke/smack e's and never wanted to.

A smoke chills me out it doesnt make me get aggressive or act stupidly and i never wake feeling ill.Where as alcohol made me a very aggressive person and when drunk i would and did want to fight the world. + never mix alcohol with prescription drugs!! fk me i did at bb7 and felt shite...

In this country we have the attitude that its ok to take socially accepted drugs alcohol/tobacco but it is still frowned upon when people say they smoke the weed, the softest type of drug IMO

In the end its a matter of personal choice if you do or dont just as with alcohol/tobacco..

Sure there are horror stories regarding 1 drug leading onto harder drugs and ruining lives but so does alcohol/tobacco!!! perhaps more so?



( and as i side issue for some reason i do tend to play (poker)better when i have had a smoke??)

[Claw75]

they would be cleaner drugs

I don't have particuarly strong views either way on the drugs argument, but if ever there was an argument to legalise some drugs, this is it.

A few years ago a very very close family member of mine very nearly died after taking cocaine.  He was a regular recreational user, but on this case he had a very bad reaction.  He is allergic to aspirin, and clearly, on this occasion, some had found it's way in to what he was taking.  He spent 5 days and nights in intensive care, it was probably the worst 5 days of my life.

It goes without saying that, knowing he was allergic to aspirin, he probably shouldn't have been taking any chances with other drugs.  Having not having had aspirin since he was a baby though, I don't think he really realised the full extent of just how bad that allergy was.   If clean, safe, drugs had been available, he would not have ended up nearly 6 feet under.

On the flip side, I do believe his drug taking had started to become a bit out of control, affecting his personality etc, and I was beginning to become concerned.  The scare stopped him taking further drugs, which, as a loving family member, I was pleased about.  Had those 'clean' drugs been available, no doubt he would have continued using, probably to his detriment.

[bolt pp]

It's kind of unpopular to actually declare drugs are bad for you these days. I shall try and be hip and say wow dopes cool and you don't look a sad twat still smoking it when u pass puberty and above, honest.

I tried dope once hated it!  I don't get taking drugs that don't give you a high.

+1

[cia260895]

Bolt put yr old avatar back up would look good on this thread.

[Karabiner]

Why are you only allowed two selections in the poll ?  

[AndrewT]

I dont agree. Do you know any recreational heroin users? I'd say you dont get many of them at all.......

Yep, two people I knew at university were like that. They used to take all manner of stuff (including heroin) whilst at university (when you can just waste time on drugs all day). When they graduated and got jobs they just stopped. Just stopped - not 'broke their addiction' or 'weaned themselves off', they just stopped as heroin isn't great at allowing you to get up at 7am on a Monday morning for work.

You must also remember the type of people who would not get addicted to hard drugs are exactly the type of people with no desire to try them in the first place - the addicts tend to be a self-selecting group.