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« Reply #60 on: August 01, 2008, 04:22:48 PM »

I am finding this thread interesting, i have NEVER open folded 99 except in a sat scenario, do people actually play that tight?

This is the point of the discussion, obviously you should be ramming both but if its significant money to you then there are reasons to fold, the thing is you shouldn't get in these spots! Play tournaments where the money doesnt make you play bad.

That's the thing about when you've satted into something like a WSOP event. The prize pay-out might mean an awful lot to someone (£4500 pays a lot of bills). This is also why the bubble will be soo heavily exploitable by people for whom the 9k$ doesn't mean as much..everyone playing outside their comfort zone(most people there) will be folding a wide range of hands, they'd be pushing with in their local tenner tourney.

Have you ever open folded 99?

Yeah i know that's what i am saying, people shouldn't play a comp like this if they are going to give up when they get near the money its the definition of dead money!
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« Reply #61 on: August 01, 2008, 04:24:03 PM »

It's not the money that tightened me up - 9k is an extra tournament for me to play in the year but that's about it - there will be plenty next year.

Blew good position in WSOP 2007, blew 3rd place in NPL Main Event (you played in that one I think Flushy), blew 9th biggest chip stack in Irish Open 2008 at start of day 2.  All zero cashes.  Wasnt' really enjoying the "blowup" reputation tbh.  This was an important monkey to get off my back.  

I'm still not convinced about the 99, but if you are adamant about it, I hope the above gives you an idea of why I was quite keen to cash this time.

For sure i am not saying there aren't reasons, i have done it before, i would never do it now though as i know how bad it is.

NPL was great i think i came 33rd.....out of 35...
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« Reply #62 on: August 01, 2008, 04:25:42 PM »

Yeah - I remember you were there briefly.  Only 35 runners was shocking.  I was on your table.  About............2/3 seats to your right.
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« Reply #63 on: August 01, 2008, 04:28:42 PM »

I am finding this thread interesting, i have NEVER open folded 99 except in a sat scenario, do people actually play that tight?


Yes and long may they continue  Grin


This is the point of the discussion, obviously you should be ramming both but if its significant money to you then there are reasons to fold, the thing is you shouldn't get in these spots! Play tournaments where the money doesnt make you play bad.


But it's the WSOP. There will be thousands of people there who have come purely for the holiday and the experience of playing these big events. They will have saved or satted and getting their money back will be a huge bonus. They didn't expect it and now they have a chance to get it so there's probably 60 people playing super tight. The other 13 are exploiting them and getting themselves set up ready for the final stages.

I'm planning on going to the WSOP next year and I'm sure that if I got to this situation I would find the fold to make the cash. But I'll be there for the experience. The £10k it costs will be budgetted for but if I can bring something back then I'll be happy.

I think while writing this I've changed my mind. If I go with the knowledge that I am probably losing £10k then surely it doesn't matter about scraping the cash? I should just play my normal game and be shoving any 2 decent cards in any unopened pot? I hope I can find the balls to do it when I get there but I'm not 100% sure I would.

Tough one Dung. Hope I don't have the same problem.
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« Reply #64 on: August 01, 2008, 04:29:33 PM »

Yeah - I remember you were there briefly.  Only 35 runners was shocking.  I was on your table.  About............2/3 seats to your right.

I don't think i won a pot all game, finally got action with a hand and el blondie got there if i remember, fun times.....

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« Reply #65 on: August 01, 2008, 04:31:17 PM »

I am finding this thread interesting, i have NEVER open folded 99 except in a sat scenario, do people actually play that tight?


Yes and long may they continue  Grin


This is the point of the discussion, obviously you should be ramming both but if its significant money to you then there are reasons to fold, the thing is you shouldn't get in these spots! Play tournaments where the money doesnt make you play bad.


But it's the WSOP. There will be thousands of people there who have come purely for the holiday and the experience of playing these big events. They will have saved or satted and getting their money back will be a huge bonus. They didn't expect it and now they have a chance to get it so there's probably 60 people playing super tight. The other 13 are exploiting them and getting themselves set up ready for the final stages.

I'm planning on going to the WSOP next year and I'm sure that if I got to this situation I would find the fold to make the cash. But I'll be there for the experience. The £10k it costs will be budgetted for but if I can bring something back then I'll be happy.

I think while writing this I've changed my mind. If I go with the knowledge that I am probably losing £10k then surely it doesn't matter about scraping the cash? I should just play my normal game and be shoving any 2 decent cards in any unopened pot? I hope I can find the balls to do it when I get there but I'm not 100% sure I would.

Tough one Dung. Hope I don't have the same problem.

If you go willing to lose £10k and lose the £10k then its no real bother, if you go there and get a shot at winning $5m then happy days! I would hate to look back it and say i sacrificed my chance at $5m so i could get back what i had decided i was happy to lose.
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« Reply #66 on: August 01, 2008, 04:38:11 PM »

I am finding this thread interesting, i have NEVER open folded 99 except in a sat scenario, do people actually play that tight?


Yes and long may they continue  Grin


This is the point of the discussion, obviously you should be ramming both but if its significant money to you then there are reasons to fold, the thing is you shouldn't get in these spots! Play tournaments where the money doesnt make you play bad.


But it's the WSOP. There will be thousands of people there who have come purely for the holiday and the experience of playing these big events. They will have saved or satted and getting their money back will be a huge bonus. They didn't expect it and now they have a chance to get it so there's probably 60 people playing super tight. The other 13 are exploiting them and getting themselves set up ready for the final stages.

I'm planning on going to the WSOP next year and I'm sure that if I got to this situation I would find the fold to make the cash. But I'll be there for the experience. The £10k it costs will be budgetted for but if I can bring something back then I'll be happy.

I think while writing this I've changed my mind. If I go with the knowledge that I am probably losing £10k then surely it doesn't matter about scraping the cash? I should just play my normal game and be shoving any 2 decent cards in any unopened pot? I hope I can find the balls to do it when I get there but I'm not 100% sure I would.

Tough one Dung. Hope I don't have the same problem.

If you go willing to lose £10k and lose the £10k then its no real bother, if you go there and get a shot at winning $5m then happy days! I would hate to look back it and say i sacrificed my chance at $5m so i could get back what i had decided i was happy to lose.

Don't know about being happy losing it but I know what you mean.

That's why I changed my mind half way through.

I don't know how it would be if I was actually there?

Hopefully I'll get the chance to find out in around 11 months time  Grin

Good thread Dung. See it gets better. Everyone's nice really. Even Flushy 
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« Reply #67 on: August 01, 2008, 04:39:06 PM »

"I don't think i won a pot all game, finally got action with a hand and el blondie got there if i remember, fun times....."

You did win a pot mate! - Below is an extract from my blog........

James Dempsey has been crippled and he is down to 1,800 so he pushes UTG. 5 players before me call and I look down at JJ. I push to isolate and the rest fold. Dempsey's Q6 wins and I've missed a big opportunity to boost my stack. We break for dinner and I'm feeling a bit deflated on 6k chips.
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« Reply #68 on: August 01, 2008, 04:42:19 PM »


We break for dinner and I'm feeling a bit deflated on 6k chips.


You were hardly inflated on 7.8k to be fair  Wink
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« Reply #69 on: August 01, 2008, 04:44:01 PM »

"I don't think i won a pot all game, finally got action with a hand and el blondie got there if i remember, fun times....."

You did win a pot mate! - Below is an extract from my blog........

James Dempsey has been crippled and he is down to 1,800 so he pushes UTG. 5 players before me call and I look down at JJ. I push to isolate and the rest fold. Dempsey's Q6 wins and I've missed a big opportunity to boost my stack. We break for dinner and I'm feeling a bit deflated on 6k chips.

Ah lol yes i remember that, the whole table called and i asked someone to please squeeze!! Happily you did and i got like 6-1 on a 30% shot Cheesy

Then i ran into DC, sigh

Highlight of the comp for me was Matt Dale asking Tilly if she was going to make Bound 2....
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« Reply #70 on: August 01, 2008, 04:44:39 PM »

There were 5 callers of Flushy's shove, so pot would have put me up to nearly 20k!

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« Reply #71 on: August 01, 2008, 04:48:43 PM »

"Highlight of the comp for me was Matt Dale asking Tilly if she was going to make Bound 2...."

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« Reply #72 on: August 01, 2008, 04:53:43 PM »

I've never open folded 22, let alone 99.

Good thread however.
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« Reply #73 on: August 01, 2008, 05:54:27 PM »

there's love in the thread now Smiley
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« Reply #74 on: August 01, 2008, 06:14:21 PM »

The point about bills etc is a valid one. But the op states that the money he wins would be reinvested back into poker later on in the year. This intention means playing optimally right here and now should certainly be his objective. Taking 9k and using it to try and hopefully get into this same position again at some time in the future lacks a lot of appeal for me. Because you are in this position right now. Sacrificing a good chance to ride the rollercoaster today in the hope of getting the same 5k ride again...where you will then do the right thing and play well, seems like a longer shot gamble than A-K vs whatever nonsense UTG shows. If a 4k profit drives your strat at this time then paying 5k to enter in the first place is inconsistent with your mentality towards money.
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