WSOP Bubble

[DungBeetle]

Not sure it really counts as a bad beat as I only had 8d6d myself

[MANTIS01]

Don't stop using the forum because you don't like some of the opinion DungBeetle. The scenarios you have posted were definitely interesting and created a good discussion. Royal Flush certainly means well but he is a firm advocate of tough love. I believe a gang of men in Brighton with black moustaches and leather caps taught him this tactic. He doesn't mean the things he says and deffo has the best interests of other members at heart. I heard that he can actually weep at the keyboard before posting.

Get out of the forum what you want and don't let anyone sidetrack you from this goal.

[AlexMartin]

Surely stalling for max time to see if anyone busted would be your first move!!

i refuse, whatever the stakes, to ever do this in my entire life. you might as well give up tournament poker if ur mentality is like this imo.

[TheChipPrince]

Surely stalling for max time to see if anyone busted would be your first move!!

i refuse, whatever the stakes, to ever do this in my entire life. you might as well give up tournament poker if ur mentality is like this imo.

Isn't it hand-for-hand anyway?

[LeKnave]

Surely stalling for max time to see if anyone busted would be your first move!!

i refuse, whatever the stakes, to ever do this in my entire life. you might as well give up tournament poker if ur mentality is like this imo.

Isn't it hand-for-hand anyway?

yeah but if some1 bust's ur gtd money @ wsop.

I agree with Alex here fwiw.  Tilts me beyond belief when ppl do it.

[jizzemm]

Don't stop using the forum because you don't like some of the opinion DungBeetle. The scenarios you have posted were definitely interesting and created a good discussion. Royal Flush certainly means well but he is a firm advocate of tough love. I believe a gang of men in Brighton with black moustaches and leather caps taught him this tactic. He doesn't mean the things he says and deffo has the best interests of other members at heart. I heard that he can actually weep at the keyboard before posting.

Get out of the forum what you want and don't let anyone sidetrack you from this goal.

+1

I total agree with this post. I don't post hands on here normally, because from reading so much of the answers, I know what I did wrong anyway and don't need to post.

You have started a really good thread here Dung and don't be put off blonde because you don't like the tone of some peoples answers, it is tough love, and when I first joined blonde I though wtf when I saw some of them, but the more I read and got involved, the more they make sense. You asked a very good question, and got some excellent replys, all of them constructive, but not to the tone you are used to seeing maybe.

There are a lot of very good experienced poker players on blonde (I'm not one of them), who will give you an answer as they see fit, and have a wealth of knowledge that you can pick up for free. It's not a clique as you call it, its a forum, and a very good one at that. Don't disappear, have a look at the hand analysis board and you will see that there is some good information there for all to see..

Well done on your cash, your situation was unique to you, but don't discard or take offence at the advice..

[Graham C]

Hate me for it, but if I'm playing in a WSOP event, I'd have qualified on the cheap for it and I'd have been very tempted to fold to the money here with both hands.  In a buy in that I normally play, I wouldn't have folded the AK preflop, the 9's maybe.

[EvilPie]

If I was in the WSOP playing a $5k event I'd be way out of my usual bankroll and playing purely for the experience and hoping to get a run. I would've saved up for a year and gone to Vegas to spend a fortune and have something to tell the kids dog about.

It's easy for everyone to say shove shove but when you're there and playing above your bankroll then it's very difficult. I don't mean that the guy can't afford the $5k but a $4k profit is a lot if you're just there for the experience. I assume that a lot are in the same situation if they're on an hour and a half bubble!!

I would also see the $9k prize as almost being my entry in to the ME so that makes this a satellite bubble where AK would be a definite fold. Not sure about the 9's might be able to do something with them.

If you see this as an experience thing then I'd say fold both hands and try to cash for the ME experience. If you're playing within your normal bankroll then firstly I'd say shove both and secondly how did you get that low in the first place?

I hope this doesn't make me sound like a poker weakling. In most tournaments I'm a massive bubble bully and enjoy making people fold good hands. In this event with a good stack I'd be doing the same. With the short stack however it's hugely different.

In any event within my bankroll it's an instashove both hands. Don't care about the cash, I'm only after the win!!!!!

[boldie]

I hope this doesn't make me sound like a poker weakling.

no it doesn't, not at all. I completely understand making the fold if you satted in or you saved up all year for it...but from a "what should you do in this poker situation" perspective i would always shove the AK (the 9's I am not too sure about)

[Rupert]

When you're taking a shot to the bigtime, at least give yourself a shot.  These two decisions are so straightforward it's not going to be hard at all for me to pull the trigged.  If i'm considering a multi street bluff against Johnny Chan, well thats another story and much harder to pull off.

[EvilPie]

I hope this doesn't make me sound like a poker weakling.

no it doesn't, not at all. I completely understand making the fold if you satted in or you saved up all year for it...but from a "what should you do in this poker situation" perspective i would always shove the AK (the 9's I am not too sure about)

 

Definitely. From a purely poker perspective AK is a definite shove. I'd even be pushing the 99 if I was this short. You need the chips.

[DungBeetle]

Looking back at my blog I'm messed up the stack/blinds.  Both are double - so I have 40kish but with double blinds it's pretty much the same situation.  

The reason I am so short is because I have been overcautious, after busting out of the 2k the previous year when being over-agressive with a medium stack with about 20 left to the bubble.  My table has been very active with very few pots getting to me unraised, and in the 2 hours up to the hand for hand I had no cards at all.  The only pots I was able to win was shoving over frequent raisers with nothing (which I did twice) and they passed.  That is also how I ended up busting out a few hours later when the original raiser (the eventual winner) had AK.

My stack hit a peak of about 90k with about 60 left, but even that was significantly below the average at the time.

[Royal Flush]

I am finding this thread interesting, i have NEVER open folded 99 except in a sat scenario, do people actually play that tight?

This is the point of the discussion, obviously you should be ramming both but if its significant money to you then there are reasons to fold, the thing is you shouldn't get in these spots! Play tournaments where the money doesnt make you play bad.

[boldie]

I am finding this thread interesting, i have NEVER open folded 99 except in a sat scenario, do people actually play that tight?

This is the point of the discussion, obviously you should be ramming both but if its significant money to you then there are reasons to fold, the thing is you shouldn't get in these spots! Play tournaments where the money doesnt make you play bad.

That's the thing about when you've satted into something like a WSOP event. The prize pay-out might mean an awful lot to someone (£4500 pays a lot of bills). This is also why the bubble will be soo heavily exploitable by people for whom the 9k$ doesn't mean as much..everyone playing outside their comfort zone(most people there) will be folding a wide range of hands, they'd be pushing with in their local tenner tourney.

[DungBeetle]

It's not the money that tightened me up - 9k is an extra tournament for me to play in the year but that's about it - there will be plenty next year.

Blew good position in WSOP 2007, blew 3rd place in NPL Main Event (you played in that one I think Flushy), blew 9th biggest chip stack in Irish Open 2008 at start of day 2.  All zero cashes.  Wasnt' really enjoying the "blowup" reputation tbh.  This was an important monkey to get off my back.  

I'm still not convinced about the 99, but if you are adamant about it, I hope the above gives you an idea of why I was quite keen to cash this time.