Drugs in poker

[ShatnerPants]

I'm not talking about scientific scribblings , I'm talking about watching otherwise sane kids beating the crap out of stuff when they're coming off the stuff because they don't know how to use it safely.

all i have to say is......WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS

And you can back this up,......how ?

[Claw75]

STT

 2 players on crack
 2 on coke
2 on weed
2 on heroin
2 on alcohol
2 on e's

who wins?

The dealer?

POTW

[WYSINWYG]

I'm not talking about scientific scribblings , I'm talking about watching otherwise sane kids beating the crap out of stuff when they're coming off the stuff because they don't know how to use it safely.

all i have to say is......WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS

And you can back this up,......how ?

SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE!:::::::::::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GXb7-efd4M&feature=related

[AlrightJack]

'The way I understand it.  Plants grown using hydroponics are high in THC and low in cannabides.  Plants grown outside using good old fashion sunlight and more natural systems are lower in in THC and higher in cannabides.  These are normally seen as brown blocks rather than buds of the plant.'

You are wrong about this. You have access to the interent, therfore you have the means to gain a greater undertanding of it. It's not my job to teach you.

I thought the idea of having a discussion on a forum like this was to inform / help each other.

Like I've said, my knowledge isn't internet based.  It's from talking to users and exusers.  The vast majority of them don't have any problems / side affects from cannabis.  But some do.  It's these guys that have told me, from their own experience, the things I've said about the diferences between the different forms of the drug.

If you want to join in the discussion, then surely you should want to help other, less informed people ( ie me ).  If you can't be bothered to enter into a decent two way converasation, then I don't see why I should be bothered to concider your opinion.

I'll repeat.  I expect many of the terms I use are wrong.  They are picked up in day to day conversation.  I believe there is a difference in the effect various forms of the drug have.  This is, from what I've been told, and believe, due to the differing amounts of THC / cannabides present.  Some forms of the drug have different effects, and therefore different side effects to each other.

Look, there's no point having a discussion in French with someone who doesn't speak the language. You have the opportunity to inform yourself, yet you continue to justify yourelf with comments like 'What I've been told' and 'what I believe', then you spout crap about stoned kids beating the crap out of stuff.

I don't really think I'm being arrogant by saying that you have no idea what you are talking about. The arrogance seems to be all yours. The purpose of such discussions is to have informed debate. Go inform yourself. If you can't be bothered to go learn about it, you have to accept that your comments are going to be ridiculed.

[madasahatstand]

Very interesting debate and equally interesting expression of views. Some people are ill educated on the subject and defend their position using the law, morality and what they believe to be true. Using websites might be tricky as a basis for education as you need to have the savvy to work out whats true and whats not on an objective basis. Its human nature to pick out info thats going to back up our opinion regardless of the facts. There are a lot of factual inaccuraccies being quoted in defence of drugs being bad and  its just a reflection of how society works. We believe what they tell us and follow laws without question in a lot of cases because the lawmakers must be talking fact, or the faith makers etc etc etc..


All substances can be harmful but in most cases they are not. Whats more harmful is imposing laws based on morals and money, when it comes to drugs, because our nation is brainwashing people to tow the line and to judge without question. Think for yourself and  question your own views before you question that of others and it will encourage us to become a bit more intellectual and respectful of each other.

Good debate all the same.

[ShatnerPants]

I'm not talking about scientific scribblings , I'm talking about watching otherwise sane kids beating the crap out of stuff when they're coming off the stuff because they don't know how to use it safely.

all i have to say is......WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS

ok, my non involvement in the debate hasn't lasted long.

+1

that is the biggest load of bollocks I've ever read about cannabis use

Sorry - I'm not going to go into detail - I don't see why I should.  

But whilst the majority of people might not have any side effects, there are some ( I repeat , some ) that do.

It has nothing to do with them being scum ( as so thoughtfully pointed out by another poster ).  It has everything to do with being susceptible to the drug, taking the wrong form of it, taking it the wrong way ( very heavily for two days , then nothing for 5 ).  

And after many months of this, on about the 3rd or 4th day of abstainace, when the drug seemed to be clearing the bloodstream, there was a huge mood downswing.  This paranoia, and inability to express itself, showed itself in tendencies to violence - not against people , because that isn't in the persons normal behaviour.  But in violence against property.

Please don't carry on telling me this is crap, because the behaviour before and after is conclusive enough for me.  Just because it's not in anyone else here's experiences, please don't tell me what has, or has not happened in my life.

[boldie]

I'm not talking about scientific scribblings , I'm talking about watching otherwise sane kids beating the crap out of stuff when they're coming off the stuff because they don't know how to use it safely.

all i have to say is......WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS

ok, my non involvement in the debate hasn't lasted long.

+1

that is the biggest load of bollocks I've ever read about cannabis use

Sorry - I'm not going to go into detail - I don't see why I should.  

But whilst the majority of people might not have any side effects, there are some ( I repeat , some ) that do.

It has nothing to do with them being scum ( as so thoughtfully pointed out by another poster ).  It has everything to do with being susceptible to the drug, taking the wrong form of it, taking it the wrong way ( very heavily for two days , then nothing for 5 ).  

And after many months of this, on about the 3rd or 4th day of abstainace, when the drug seemed to be clearing the bloodstream, there was a huge mood downswing.  This paranoia, and inability to express itself, showed itself in tendencies to violence - not against people , because that isn't in the persons normal behaviour.  But in violence against property.

Please don't carry on telling me this is crap, because the behaviour before and after is conclusive enough for me.  Just because it's not in anyone else here's experiences, please don't tell me what has, or has not happened in my life.

This has never happened to anyone smoking good quality weed/hashies that I know of. i would love to see some evidence of this.

[booder]

I'm not talking about scientific scribblings , I'm talking about watching otherwise sane kids beating the crap out of stuff when they're coming off the stuff because they don't know how to use it safely.

all i have to say is......WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS

And you can back this up,......how ?

30 years of experience

[byronkincaid]

I'm not talking about scientific scribblings , I'm talking about watching otherwise sane kids beating the crap out of stuff when they're coming off the stuff because they don't know how to use it safely.

all i have to say is......WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS

ok, my non involvement in the debate hasn't lasted long.

+1

that is the biggest load of bollocks I've ever read about cannabis use

Sorry - I'm not going to go into detail - I don't see why I should.  

But whilst the majority of people might not have any side effects, there are some ( I repeat , some ) that do.

It has nothing to do with them being scum ( as so thoughtfully pointed out by another poster ).  It has everything to do with being susceptible to the drug, taking the wrong form of it, taking it the wrong way ( very heavily for two days , then nothing for 5 ).  

And after many months of this, on about the 3rd or 4th day of abstainace, when the drug seemed to be clearing the bloodstream, there was a huge mood downswing.  This paranoia, and inability to express itself, showed itself in tendencies to violence - not against people , because that isn't in the persons normal behaviour.  But in violence against property.

Please don't carry on telling me this is crap, because the behaviour before and after is conclusive enough for me.  Just because it's not in anyone else here's experiences, please don't tell me what has, or has not happened in my life.

yeah guys wtf? this has all been known since 1936

[ShatnerPants]

How do you know their problems stem from cannabis and not any other mitigating factor?

Becasue they so? Because you say so?

Either way, I'll stick with the scribblings.

I'm not saying there weren't other factors, of course there were.  But, all I was trying to say from the beginning is that cannabis isn't a black and white subject.

I'm not in total disagreement with what the majority think.  

On the whole there's a lot of good that can be said about the drug.

BUT.

It's not good for everyone, if taken badly.  In the situation I'm talking about cannabis had it's part to play.  

Now I'm going back to what I believe, because there's no way I'm going to ever put it into practise.

The access to cannabis was via skunk ( I don't know which variety ).  I'm still sure it was high in THC and low in cannabides.

When I asked various people what the differences were with what was around when I was in college all those years ago, I was told about cannabides.  I haven't seen an awful lot on google about cannabides, so I'm going with what I've been told.  Which is that the higher the cannabide count, and the lower the THC, the less likely would be the feelings of paranoia.  When I said coming down, I didn't mean in the few hours after taking the drug, I meant several days later ( I've also been told that traces of the drug stay in the body for up to 3 months - whether that's true or not, I don't care, but interesting if it is ).

Ok, so I'm not the most informed person on the planet.  Ok so I don't read scientific stuff.  

But whilst many people are happy telling me what a load of bollox I spout, noone has pointed inthe direction of something that a fairly simple guy can read that will help put my idiot thinkings right.

I'm can't read science mumbo jumbo stuff, it goes in one ear and out the other.  But if this THC / cannabide stuff that I've been spouting is rubbish, I'd love to know the truth.

I google cannabides and get Latin, French, and German options, and it asks me if I want to search for cannabis.  No I don't, I want to find out about cannabides

[ShatnerPants]

I'm not talking about scientific scribblings , I'm talking about watching otherwise sane kids beating the crap out of stuff when they're coming off the stuff because they don't know how to use it safely.

Coming of the stuff? Theres no real come down after smoking. If there beating the crap out of stuff its probably because their scum.

These kids are probably beating the crap out of stuff, have a joint and they all chill out for a few hours, then when it wears off they go back to their anti-social behaviour.

I'd really like you to delete this, please.

It is very offensive.

[ShatnerPants]

This has never happened to anyone smoking good quality weed/hashies that I know of. i would love to see some evidence of this.

I've seen it with my own eyes. 

Thinking about it, this is relevant.

How does one judge the quality of grass ?

[AlrightJack]

Try googling cannabinoids instead.

[ShatnerPants]

Try googling cannabinoids instead.

Thanks,

I knew you'd help me 

[AlrightJack]

I'm not talking about scientific scribblings , I'm talking about watching otherwise sane kids beating the crap out of stuff when they're coming off the stuff because they don't know how to use it safely.

Coming of the stuff? Theres no real come down after smoking. If there beating the crap out of stuff its probably because their scum.

These kids are probably beating the crap out of stuff, have a joint and they all chill out for a few hours, then when it wears off they go back to their anti-social behaviour.

I'd really like you to delete this, please.

It is very offensive.

WTF, how is this either offensive or warranting a deletion?