Paired board versus big stack slag

[WYSINWYG]

Final table MTT
Villain slag 2,000,000
ANOther variable 900,000
Hero slag 244,000

Prize: 1st 15K 2nd 5K 3rd 3K

Blinds 10/20,000

Hero button  Raise >>60,000

Villain calls

ANother FOLD


Flop   

Villain bets 75,000.

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What do you do?

[LeKnave]

open shove pre. 

[boldie]

push, Villain Slag will bet anything here as he has the chippies to do it.  get them in.

and push pre as well...you only have 12BBs, don't faff about.

[PocketLady]

I push pre definitely in this position.  I'd feel I was leaving myself too open to a reraise from the non-believing blinds who think you are just making a positional raise with any two.  Post flop I shove to the bet.  He can only call with 888 or a big pair, and has to have you on an overpair for starters.

If he has nothing and misses the flop he is OOP and he knows you will probably push if he checks to you, and he knows he can't call that bet so he bets himself to take it away from you.  There's always the chance that he has something, but an all in in this situation from you shows a lot of strength. 

[Rookie (Rodney)]

I push pre definitely in this position.  I'd feel I was leaving myself too open to a reraise from the non-believing blinds who think you are just making a positional raise with any two.  Post flop I shove to the bet.  He can only call with 888 or a big pair, and has to have you on an overpair for starters.

No, he doesnt, if you think pushing will make him fold here on the flop you are wrong.

Although I don't disagree that we should get them in now.. Defo pre btw.

[PocketLady]

Ok yes just looked at chip counts again, he can fold or he might call, but the all in looks strong anyway, so he may well pass unless he has 888 or an overpair.  It's still over 100k more for him to call and he's getting less than 3/1.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Ok yes just looked at chip counts again, he can fold or he might call, but the all in looks strong anyway, so he may well pass unless he has 888 or an overpair.

I bet he calls with an underpair to the 8, and Ax, and KQ etc

[PocketLady]

Maybe a pair or Ax, but I don't think he can call with less than Ace high really, but yeah get them in!

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Maybe a pair or Ax, but I don't think he can call with less than Ace high really, but yeah get them in!

I think he can..

Why are we pushing them in now then pls? What reasoning behind it?

[Royal Flush]

I like the raise pre, let the blinds think you can be raised off it.

Given the sick payouts i am trying to get as much in with good hands, this is deffo a good spot to do so, shovel them in!

I push pre definitely in this position.  I'd feel I was leaving myself too open to a reraise from the non-believing blinds who think you are just making a positional raise with any two.  Post flop I shove to the bet.  He can only call with 888 or a big pair, and has to have you on an overpair for starters.

If he has nothing and misses the flop he is OOP and he knows you will probably push if he checks to you, and he knows he can't call that bet so he bets himself to take it away from you.  There's always the chance that he has something, but an all in in this situation from you shows a lot of strength. 

great level, wp

[PocketLady]

Maybe a pair or Ax, but I don't think he can call with less than Ace high really, but yeah get them in!

I think he can..

Why are we pushing them in now then pls? What reasoning behind it?

Because this situation is fairly marginal in terms of stack and pot size a) I think the big stack could possibly fold a better hand, b) even if he can't fold you want him to call with A10 or worse c) even if he does call with a small pair you have several outs with A high versus a small hole pair on that board.  If he calls with a big pair, wp gg.

And most importantly I think he could be making that bet with any two, so I'm not folding.

Still pushing pre though.

[AlexMartin]

1stly, this final table is fictional and has no real point. The payouts are pissed and all of you are way too deep considering how many runners there must have been to generate this many chips and the blind level you are at. Secondly, make it 60k pre imo if villain is truly aggro, pray someone shoves and stack off on most boards. Otherwise, i guess you are open shoving a lot into passive players so see no reason not to shove here. 

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Maybe a pair or Ax, but I don't think he can call with less than Ace high really, but yeah get them in!

I think he can..

Why are we pushing them in now then pls? What reasoning behind it?

 a) I think the big stack could possibly fold a better hand, b) even if he can't fold you want him to call with A10 or worse

[PocketLady]

I'm saying this with no information on the villan at all.  We don't know how good he is, we don't know whether he would call with KQ or fold 22.  If you were the villan what range would you be calling with?

[WYSINWYG]

1stly, this final table is fictional and has no real point.

I'm sitting here right now at the table and everyone is waiting for me to act but I can't do so til I've accumulated all the different opinions, please hurry, nearly calling clock.