The Grosvenor Grand Prix is back!

[AlrightJack]

A few more things about the Grand Prix that have not been mentioned much or at all yet:

-It's £50 this year, which means it should make it affordable to more people than in the past.
-The live satellites all take place on the same day at the same time (Saturday afternoons), with the exception of some addtional ones in Walsall in the week leading up to the event. Grosvenor simply would not be able to do this as fully dealer dealt. Had they tried to, many clubs would not have taken part. As it is, you have to deal, but you can play in any of the Grosvenor or G casinos with a card room. This was another reason to drop the buy in to £50, as a £100 self deal would have been unacceptable. 
-The online satellites take place on Thursdays
-The Grand Prix is a part of the GUKPT this year, so the winners of all events (side events included) get a seat in the Champion of Champions event. The winner of the Grand Prix itself gets a seat in the GUKPT Grand Final.
-10,000 chips, an hour clock (same structure as GUKPT main events, but without running antes).
-Two starting days, two further days to complete the tournament.
-Trophies, which if you're lucky, I might drop...

If its a 4 day event are you only having this and the gukpt m/e for the walsall leg?

We've already had the Walsall leg. This is a separate event, taking place in October. Main event is 30th October - 2nd November, but there are side events from Monday 27th. All side events with a buy in of £100 or more qualify for GUKPT ranking points and have Champion of Champions seats to winners.

[tikay]

Obviously there are no session fees, reg fees or whatever you want to call them in the online sats either.

As far as freezeouts are concerned, I think there is very little difference between raking the pool or charging a reg fee. If anything, making it a bit cheaper for people to play may be a good thing at present, credit cruch and all that. Ther vast majority of people lose at poker, so most players will be better off not having to fork out the additional fee. Rebuys are obviously different.

Thanks JR, it's been a good debate, & enabled us to air our concerns over Embedded Reg Fees, & you've answered most of the questions, even though we might not all agree with each other.

And it's raised the profile of of one of THE great Poker Tourneys in the Calendar.

Happy days.

[phatomch]

A few more things about the Grand Prix that have not been mentioned much or at all yet:

-It's £50 this year, which means it should make it affordable to more people than in the past.
-The live satellites all take place on the same day at the same time (Saturday afternoons), with the exception of some addtional ones in Walsall in the week leading up to the event. Grosvenor simply would not be able to do this as fully dealer dealt. Had they tried to, many clubs would not have taken part. As it is, you have to deal, but you can play in any of the Grosvenor or G casinos with a card room. This was another reason to drop the buy in to £50, as a £100 self deal would have been unacceptable. 
-The online satellites take place on Thursdays
-The Grand Prix is a part of the GUKPT this year, so the winners of all events (side events included) get a seat in the Champion of Champions event. The winner of the Grand Prix itself gets a seat in the GUKPT Grand Final.
-10,000 chips, an hour clock (same structure as GUKPT main events, but without running antes).
-Two starting days, two further days to complete the tournament.
-Trophies, which if you're lucky, I might drop...

To give it a technical name I think you may of screwed the pooch on this one. The whole reason the gp was such a good comp was the size of the prize pool and it being the only major pl comp still about. I dont think dropping the buy in is going to attract that many more players and trialing this rake at such a major comp is silly. I hope I am wrong because I do think in its old format that it was one of the best about.

[AlrightJack]

A few more things about the Grand Prix that have not been mentioned much or at all yet:

-It's £50 this year, which means it should make it affordable to more people than in the past.
-The live satellites all take place on the same day at the same time (Saturday afternoons), with the exception of some addtional ones in Walsall in the week leading up to the event. Grosvenor simply would not be able to do this as fully dealer dealt. Had they tried to, many clubs would not have taken part. As it is, you have to deal, but you can play in any of the Grosvenor or G casinos with a card room. This was another reason to drop the buy in to £50, as a £100 self deal would have been unacceptable. 
-The online satellites take place on Thursdays
-The Grand Prix is a part of the GUKPT this year, so the winners of all events (side events included) get a seat in the Champion of Champions event. The winner of the Grand Prix itself gets a seat in the GUKPT Grand Final.
-10,000 chips, an hour clock (same structure as GUKPT main events, but without running antes).
-Two starting days, two further days to complete the tournament.
-Trophies, which if you're lucky, I might drop...

To give it a technical name I think you may of screwed the pooch on this one. The whole reason the gp was such a good comp was the size of the prize pool and it being the only major pl comp still about. I dont think dropping the buy in is going to attract that many more players and trialing this rake at such a major comp is silly. I hope I am wrong because I do think in its old format that it was one of the best about.

Lets wait and technically see what happens. If the pooch gets shafted, don't blame Flushy.

[tikay]

I actually thinking about it don't see a problem with rake in a rebuy, i am happy to pay £20 juice on a £200 comp so why would i object in paying £10 in a £50r where the average buyin is 200.

I still get tilted by the swathes of people who can't figure out that rake and reg fee are the same.

Wow, that was a quick U-Turn! On Page 1, you said......well, you know what you said!

why would i object in paying £10 in a £50r where the average buyin is 200.

I don't understand that.  If you had a (£50) Buy-In & 3 Rebuys that'd be £200 + £20, which is absolutely fine.

That, as you know, it not my point.

I still get tilted by the swathes of people who can't figure out that rake and reg fee are the same.

Life-Tilt incoming......

I am not to stubborn to realise that when i jump to an opinion on something i may have over-reacted....unlike some

Select one from two....

1) "some" think before they Post.

2) The aged amongst us are entitled to be stubborn. And to be patronised by kids. Just say "OK pops".

[RED-DOG]

A few more things about the Grand Prix that have not been mentioned much or at all yet:

-It's £50 this year, which means it should make it affordable to more people than in the past.
-The live satellites all take place on the same day at the same time (Saturday afternoons), with the exception of some addtional ones in Walsall in the week leading up to the event. Grosvenor simply would not be able to do this as fully dealer dealt. Had they tried to, many clubs would not have taken part. As it is, you have to deal, but you can play in any of the Grosvenor or G casinos with a card room. This was another reason to drop the buy in to £50, as a £100 self deal would have been unacceptable. 
-The online satellites take place on Thursdays
-The Grand Prix is a part of the GUKPT this year, so the winners of all events (side events included) get a seat in the Champion of Champions event. The winner of the Grand Prix itself gets a seat in the GUKPT Grand Final.
-10,000 chips, an hour clock (same structure as GUKPT main events, but without running antes).
-Two starting days, two further days to complete the tournament.
-Trophies, which if you're lucky, I might drop...

To give it a technical name I think you may of screwed the pooch on this one. The whole reason the gp was such a good comp was the size of the prize pool and it being the only major pl comp still about. I dont think dropping the buy in is going to attract that many more players and trialing this rake at such a major comp is silly. I hope I am wrong because I do think in its old format that it was one of the best about.

Lets wait and technically see what happens. If the pooch gets shafted, don't blame Flushy.

Leave me out of it.

[AlrightJack]

A few more things about the Grand Prix that have not been mentioned much or at all yet:

-It's £50 this year, which means it should make it affordable to more people than in the past.
-The live satellites all take place on the same day at the same time (Saturday afternoons), with the exception of some addtional ones in Walsall in the week leading up to the event. Grosvenor simply would not be able to do this as fully dealer dealt. Had they tried to, many clubs would not have taken part. As it is, you have to deal, but you can play in any of the Grosvenor or G casinos with a card room. This was another reason to drop the buy in to £50, as a £100 self deal would have been unacceptable. 
-The online satellites take place on Thursdays
-The Grand Prix is a part of the GUKPT this year, so the winners of all events (side events included) get a seat in the Champion of Champions event. The winner of the Grand Prix itself gets a seat in the GUKPT Grand Final.
-10,000 chips, an hour clock (same structure as GUKPT main events, but without running antes).
-Two starting days, two further days to complete the tournament.
-Trophies, which if you're lucky, I might drop...

To give it a technical name I think you may of screwed the pooch on this one. The whole reason the gp was such a good comp was the size of the prize pool and it being the only major pl comp still about. I dont think dropping the buy in is going to attract that many more players and trialing this rake at such a major comp is silly. I hope I am wrong because I do think in its old format that it was one of the best about.

Lets wait and technically see what happens. If the pooch gets shafted, don't blame Flushy.

Leave me out of it.

There will be a 75-150 level...

[Newmanseye]

A few more things about the Grand Prix that have not been mentioned much or at all yet:

-It's £50 this year, which means it should make it affordable to more people than in the past.
-The live satellites all take place on the same day at the same time (Saturday afternoons), with the exception of some addtional ones in Walsall in the week leading up to the event. Grosvenor simply would not be able to do this as fully dealer dealt. Had they tried to, many clubs would not have taken part. As it is, you have to deal, but you can play in any of the Grosvenor or G casinos with a card room. This was another reason to drop the buy in to £50, as a £100 self deal would have been unacceptable. 
-The online satellites take place on Thursdays
-The Grand Prix is a part of the GUKPT this year, so the winners of all events (side events included) get a seat in the Champion of Champions event. The winner of the Grand Prix itself gets a seat in the GUKPT Grand Final.
-10,000 chips, an hour clock (same structure as GUKPT main events, but without running antes).
-Two starting days, two further days to complete the tournament.
-Trophies, which if you're lucky, I might drop...

To give it a technical name I think you may of screwed the pooch on this one. The whole reason the gp was such a good comp was the size of the prize pool and it being the only major pl comp still about. I dont think dropping the buy in is going to attract that many more players and trialing this rake at such a major comp is silly. I hope I am wrong because I do think in its old format that it was one of the best about.

Lets wait and technically see what happens. If the pooch gets shafted, don't blame Flushy.

Leave me out of it.

There will be a 75-150 level...

I lol'd

[phatomch]

A few more things about the Grand Prix that have not been mentioned much or at all yet:

-It's £50 this year, which means it should make it affordable to more people than in the past.
-The live satellites all take place on the same day at the same time (Saturday afternoons), with the exception of some addtional ones in Walsall in the week leading up to the event. Grosvenor simply would not be able to do this as fully dealer dealt. Had they tried to, many clubs would not have taken part. As it is, you have to deal, but you can play in any of the Grosvenor or G casinos with a card room. This was another reason to drop the buy in to £50, as a £100 self deal would have been unacceptable. 
-The online satellites take place on Thursdays
-The Grand Prix is a part of the GUKPT this year, so the winners of all events (side events included) get a seat in the Champion of Champions event. The winner of the Grand Prix itself gets a seat in the GUKPT Grand Final.
-10,000 chips, an hour clock (same structure as GUKPT main events, but without running antes).
-Two starting days, two further days to complete the tournament.
-Trophies, which if you're lucky, I might drop...

To give it a technical name I think you may of screwed the pooch on this one. The whole reason the gp was such a good comp was the size of the prize pool and it being the only major pl comp still about. I dont think dropping the buy in is going to attract that many more players and trialing this rake at such a major comp is silly. I hope I am wrong because I do think in its old format that it was one of the best about.

Lets wait and technically see what happens. If the pooch gets shafted, don't blame Flushy.

like I say John I hope i'm wrong, but I can see it being a flop, not due to the work you put in but from the casinos running the sats not getting the interest, I can see people in the vic saying bollocks to self-deal its only going to equate to a £200 freezeout. although with a huge £25k added

[Dry em]

Have played this twice so far and it's one of the best value tournaments of the year. Agree with the concern of raking rebuys in general, but in this instance the added money more than compensates and this is definitely the sort of tournament that deserves support

Someone said earlier how it would have been a better "PR" decision to have gone juice free with no added money. I'd have to disagree. Outside of a select core of more hardened poker players, I'd say the majority of prospective players for this tournament would be more drawn to the prospect if £25k added to the prize pool than a Juice free tournament

[Royal Flush]

I actually thinking about it don't see a problem with rake in a rebuy, i am happy to pay £20 juice on a £200 comp so why would i object in paying £10 in a £50r where the average buyin is 200.

I still get tilted by the swathes of people who can't figure out that rake and reg fee are the same.

Wow, that was a quick U-Turn! On Page 1, you said......well, you know what you said!

why would i object in paying £10 in a £50r where the average buyin is 200.

I don't understand that.  If you had a (£50) Buy-In & 3 Rebuys that'd be £200 + £20, which is absolutely fine.

That, as you know, it not my point.

I still get tilted by the swathes of people who can't figure out that rake and reg fee are the same.

Life-Tilt incoming......

I am not to stubborn to realise that when i jump to an opinion on something i may have over-reacted....unlike some

Select one from two....

1) "some" think before they Post.

2) The aged amongst us are entitled to be stubborn. And to be patronised by kids. Just say "OK pops".

OK pops.

[willenhall]

its been suggested that the smaller casinos with fewer runners have a gentlemans agreement where they play it as a freezout
this lessons the prize pool of course but stills puts through the 15 percent of players
any truth in this ?

[Newmanseye]

its been suggested that the smaller casinos with fewer runners have a gentlemans agreement where they play it as a freezout
this lessons the prize pool of course but stills puts through the 15 percent of players
any truth in this ?

Please pm me the details of said casinos co i can save a few quid

[willenhall]

wouldnt that be fraud

[neeko]

Could not the problem of raking a %age ,of a re-buy prizepool, be solved by a head honcho at Grosvenor casinos standing up and say "we will never take a %age of a re-buy tournament only freezeouts, and then we will openly advertise the %age pre comp (in big letters)" or are such absolutes in this world impossible.