analyse this!

[thetank]

Different skill set live surely?

[action man]

volume

[PocketLady]

which demonstrate a flaw in reasoning common amongst live tournament players

Is there some kind of wall between the land of live and internet play ??  live players play on the internet a lot to..... youthful arrogance has a lot to answer for..

note to self   YOU DONT KNOW IT ALL....

yes a massive wall, experience is gained through number of hands played, not the number of years you have been playing.
For example moorman will play more mtt in 6 months than some veteran like Mickey Wernick has ever played.

Another difference is when a local live player gives his standard flawed explanations of a badly played hand no-one jumps in and says wait a minute....thats BS.
In short, primarily live players progress and learn at a much slower rate.

Yes, I agree that generally the standard of live players is worse than those who play online, but it isn't just because of less hands played.  When I play live I play a bit differently because there are more AND less things to take into account.  I could get together 10 people who play on the internet regularly and sit them at a 1/2 live cash table and the game would still be a lot looser than a 1/2 full ring online.

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A very good live player once told me that you should always enter a pot with a purpose.  

to win the hand?

Lol, yes, but thinking about how you are going to win the hand before you enter it.  I might make a call against a weak/tight player with absolute bollocks because I know I can outplay them on the flop.  That's much easier to do live than online, although obviously it can be done.  I'm fairly certain Simon didn't call with J10 because he thought he was winning.

[celtic]

volume

so moorman is only better than me because he has played lots more mtt's online than i have?

[action man]

no moorman hasnt done as well live because hes probably only played 20 or so live comps, any regular Mtter can go 200+ without getting a win.

[celtic]

no moorman hasnt done as well live because hes probably only played 20 or so live comps, any regular Mtter can go 200+ without getting a win.

200+? Are you sure?

[action man]

very sure

[celtic]

i assume you're talking about online as i have yet to meet someone who has gone 200 live mtt's without winning one. If so then i dont see how this helps your argument that online players are better.

[Claw75]

i assume you're talking about online as i have yet to meet someone who has gone 200 live mtt's without winning one. If so then i dont see how this helps your argument that online players are better.

presumably because online MTT fields are much larger than live ones....

[mondatoo]

which demonstrate a flaw in reasoning common amongst live tournament players

Is there some kind of wall between the land of live and internet play ??  live players play on the internet a lot to..... youthful arrogance has a lot to answer for..

note to self   YOU DONT KNOW IT ALL....

yes a massive wall

why is it a massive wall? who decides that internet players are better than live players?

IT'S FACT

Seriously though volume obviously is hugely relevant anyone can have a bad run of tourneys were a big % of the time they get it in with the best hand but don't win it happens it's the game.However as is always said over a bigger span of tournaments the better players will make the most money.Thus i would suggest if moorman spent a full year playing the live circuit solely he would be doing a lot better than his current record live shows.

[action man]

which demonstrate a flaw in reasoning common amongst live tournament players

Is there some kind of wall between the land of live and internet play ??  live players play on the internet a lot to..... youthful arrogance has a lot to answer for..

note to self   YOU DONT KNOW IT ALL....

yes a massive wall

why is it a massive wall? who decides that internet players are better than live players?

IT'S FACT

Seriously though volume obviously is hugely relevant anyone can have a bad run of tourneys were a big % of the time they get it in with the best hand but don't win it happens it's the game.However as is always said over a bigger span of tournaments the better players will make the most money.Thus i would suggest if moorman spent a full year playing the live circuit solely he would be doing a lot better than his current record live shows.

+mf1

[Longy]

i assume you're talking about online as i have yet to meet someone who has gone 200 live mtt's without winning one. If so then i dont see how this helps your argument that online players are better.

200 live tourneys is an awful lot,at 2 a week it would take 2 years to play that many. As Claw says field size does have a bearing, plus actionmans arguement was that players like Moorman who have been extremely succesful just hasn't played enough live for their results to mean anything.

[celtic]

i understand volume is relevant but it works both ways ray, i know moorman is better than me as a poker player FACT but action mans view suggests this is only because he plays more online than i do. i dont buy that. i dont think its that clear cut that internet players generally are better than live players.

[Longy]

i understand volume is relevant but it works both ways ray, i know moorman is better than me as a poker player FACT but action mans view suggests this is only because he plays more online than i do. i dont buy that. i dont think its that clear cut that internet players generally are better than live players.

It isn't just experience, Moorman no doubt talks to other online players whether that be privately or on internet forums. To learn about good poker strategy, you have a wealth of knowledge which has been discussed to death worked on and then adapted into a better form, you only have to see how much online games have changed in the last 2-3 years to see that this is having an effect.

Compare that to your local cardroom where people are still playing roughly the same, very little strategy is discussed in this atmosphere in my experience and alot of it is the same stuff that the regulars were coming out with years ago.

The live scene is just experiencing alot longer learning curve than the online scene.

[celtic]

i understand volume is relevant but it works both ways ray, i know moorman is better than me as a poker player FACT but action mans view suggests this is only because he plays more online than i do. i dont buy that. i dont think its that clear cut that internet players generally are better than live players.

It isn't just experience, Moorman no doubt talks to other online players whether that be privately or on internet forums. To learn about good poker strategy, you have a wealth of knowledge which has been discussed to death worked on and then adapted into a better form, you only have to see how much online games have changed in the last 2-3 years to see that this is having an effect.

Compare that to your local cardroom where people are still playing roughly the same, very little strategy is discussed in this atmosphere in my experience and alot of it is the same stuff that the regulars were coming out with years ago.

The live scene is just experiencing alot longer learning curve than the online scene.

but live playes use all the forums etc and talk to good 'live' players. why does there have to be a difference between live players and internet players? Ur either good or you aret imo? NO?