Tales from the Toon. The ups and downs of an NUFC supporter....

[pleno1]

You can have upto 5k at 4-1 you finish above Arsenal next year

uptop when can i bet?

[mondatoo]

Guthrie is shit.

[Dubai]

You can have upto 5k at 4-1 you finish above Arsenal next year

uptop when can i bet?

Well the price is now, not after RVP has left or u have signed Messi

[pleno1]

ok so 4-1 and I cant bet if RVP leaves or we sign anyone for 30m+?

[pleno1]

oh and guthrie > cabaye

[Acidmouse]

1 point behind chelsea! come on Newcastle

[The Camel]

I promise this is the last time I say this.


Talent wise they are little better than Wigan. Good goalkeeper and a good striker. That's it.

• 2 good strikers
• cabaye and tiote = good midfielders
• guthrie as good as any reserve midfielder in any premiership team
• colocini as good as nay defender this year
• again
• all of the above = backbone/spine of team which is so important
• ryan taylor really good set piece taker who wins points for us all the time
• Gutierez/Williamson and everyone else you named far far too good for the championship as proved when we were in there and coasted almost every game.

People are overvalueing the premiership. Its like saying Man United are full fo championship players, all the players you have said you could say the same about Man United. Evra/Rafael terrible terrible defenders, Rio been an absolute joke all season. Carrick super super average, Giggs good but no better than Guthrie. Goalkeeper terrible, Jonny Evans terrible, Phil Jones bullied off Shola etc etc etc.

Its not that Newcastle aren't good its that the premiership isnt good.

We have a really really good manager who gets the best out of his players. We definitely haven't been running above ev, we've conceded 8 penalties and received 2 in our favour, so so many blatant penalties turned down for us, Ferdinand vs Ba at home, Larson vs the scum away.

You can see with the unwashed down the road how much some decent managerial organisation impacts a team. Sunderland do have a team full of championship players and are battering everybody at the moment.

Teams like Aston Villa/Everton etc who I assume you believe to be  >> Newcastle just simply isn't the case. I believe Villa were pretty much at full strength today and were average at absolute best.

If you think we are a mid table team or whatever happy to bet upto 5k that we finish in the top 10 next season (I already took this bet for this season although considerably less stake when everybody tipped us for relegation and I was very confident we would be top half and competing for European positions.

You thought Villa were "average at best" today.

Well, I am totally unbiased (indeed I have had a deep dislike of robbie keane for many years and McLeish isn't my favourite person in football either, so without a bet I probably favoured the Toon) and Villa were easily the better side today. Definitely deserved to win. Collocini and Williamson were played off the park by Keane and Bent. N'Zogbia, who has been awful all season, was made to look like David Silva today!

So, if Villa were "average at best" what does that make Newcastle?

I've thought Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal have all been well below the standards they have set for themselves in recent seasons (well, in Lolerpool's case below the standard they aspire to set themself)

However, the truth probably is, the top 6 are so much better than the rest, and it's virtually pure randomness who finishes in positions 7 to 20.

[pleno1]

lolllll,

i remember seeing the possession stats twice.

Once it was 50-50 and the other was 75-25 to Newcastle.

Nzogbia was absolutely dogshit and has been all season, if he was playing like David Silva I'm sure Alex Mcleish wouldn't have taken him off at 1-2 for Emile Heskey.

If the "top 6" are so so much better than the rest then we wouldn't be fifth, we wouldn't have taken 4 points off Man Utd etc.

[The Camel]

lolllll,

i remember seeing the possession stats twice.

Once it was 50-50 and the other was 75-25 to Newcastle.

Nzogbia was absolutely dogshit and has been all season, if he was playing like David Silva I'm sure Alex Mcleish wouldn't have taken him off at 1-2 for Emile Heskey.

If the "top 6" are so so much better than the rest then we wouldn't be fifth, we wouldn't have taken 4 points off Man Utd etc.

I'm saying the fact you are fifth is purely variance.

You took 4 pts off Man U? Variance.

You took 4 pts off QPR? Variance.

You took 3 pts off Villa today? Variance.

Have you read a book called "Fooled by Randomness"? It could have been dedicated to Newcastle supporters this season.

Just because Newcastle are fifth, it doesn't mean they are the fifth best team in the league.

[pleno1]

lolllll,

i remember seeing the possession stats twice.

Once it was 50-50 and the other was 75-25 to Newcastle.

Nzogbia was absolutely dogshit and has been all season, if he was playing like David Silva I'm sure Alex Mcleish wouldn't have taken him off at 1-2 for Emile Heskey.

If the "top 6" are so so much better than the rest then we wouldn't be fifth, we wouldn't have taken 4 points off Man Utd etc.

You took 4 pts off QPR? Variance.

You took 3 pts off Villa today? Variance.

Really? Just standard standard results although I think with current team 6 pts vs the hoops would have been more realistic, although admittedly you deserved the 3 points more than we did when we played you earlier in the season, but think that had a little bit to do with the new players/Monday night game.

To say Liverpool are far and away better than Newcastle seems a little ridiculous though, they have alot of v.v.v average players and have performed poorly for huge parts of the season.

[mondatoo]

LOL at similar to Wigan, Coloccini, Santon, Cabaye,Tiote, Ben Arfa, Ba, Cisse. Show me the comparison players from Wigan please that are as good as that lot ? The top 6 are way better than us, obv, who else is that much better than we are ?

[The Camel]

LOL at similar to Wigan, Coloccini, Santon, Cabaye,Tiote, Ben Arfa, Ba, Cisse. Show me the comparison players from Wigan please that are as good as that lot ? The top 6 are way better than us, obv, who else is that much better than we are ?

I said you were similar to Wigan because you have two very good players - Krul and Ba and so do they Al Habsi and Rodallega.

Overall you are stronger slightly, but I would say they have more creative talent, but you are better organised, better at defending and physically more imposing.

I would certainly rather watch Gomez, Moses and Rodallega than Jonas, Perch and Tiote.

[dino1980]

rofl, Guthrie has been as good as any centre mid from any team apart from Manchester City.

Really! He was good against Villa, but he's only played 9/24 games this season because Pardew has preferred Tiote/Cabaye.

[mondatoo]

Tiote and Colo are also very good players, Colo had his 2nd bad game of the season today so I disagree with you but anyways...

Something I'd rather discuss is this "Have you read a book called "Fooled by Randomness"? It could have been dedicated to Newcastle supporters this season". You obv know your stuff so I'm sure you aren't just saying this due to media perception so where have you witnessed this ? Of the 50+ Newcastle fans I can think of, I know 2 (1 being Pads) who haven't spent the whole season, and still are, waiting for the bubble to burst. So where do you get this from ? It isn't itt as only Pads thinks we could do better than top 7, which from the start we had is not an unrealistic goal due to the competition. It is beyond tilting how many people come out with such rubbish like the Geordie's expect so much etc etc, it really is a fallacy and it hasn't been like that up here pretty much since the day Sir Bobby got sacked.

[mondatoo]

Guthrie is terrible, he made a few mistakes today, I have no idea where Pads is coming from with this one. He had maybe 3/4 good games when he came into the team in Dec, that's it in all the time he's been here.