Live MTT. Respond to turn push.

[MANTIS01]

Yeah i agree with that mantis but was just saying that in this situation against this oppo the fact he has shoved over our weak looking min raise if we are looking to get it in then the play has worked yeah ?

Well yes I agree. If we are still looking to get all the chips in on the turn you couldn't help but be pleased with this result. But I don't think a rock min-raising looks weak and I don't think he pushes a draw either. So in other words if he doesn't have you crushed will min-raising actually work as a strat?

The key to the hand is that turn bet though. You've either got to say it's cos the guy is ridic strong or ridic weak. Either way you don't want to be raising. I thought he was ridic strong with a set when in fact he had A-A. But even so that change of betting strat needs some serious questioning before you raise. Did Laxie do that? If not that's how she can improve playing this hand. But with her image I just can't imagine him jamming weak really. Having said that Laxie gives us the lowdown on this guy and it's hard not to think this is the hand you've been waiting for. I just sense that Laxie's trap strat made her blind to his wtf turn bet? How did his betting through the streets vary before? If it was all over the place then it's hard not to want to get it in but you do only have one pair.

[Laxie]

His turn bet seemed weak, but I knew he wouldn't let go of his hand.  My mini raise really was silly in hindsight.  When he shoved, I was stuck between he having a weak/big draw and made hand.  Didn't give him enough credit and in effect, I really only trapped myself. 

Against this type of player and without knowledge that he actually has a hand this time, what would be your suggestions from pre flop all the way to the river?

[TheChipPrince]

Only the turn for me Laxie where its 'bad' play, i'm more than happy with the pre and post calls...

[MANTIS01]

Against this type of player and without knowledge that he actually has a hand this time, what would be your suggestions from pre flop all the way to the river?

If you have tptk and he keeps firing on a dry board just keep calling. Why not? The amounts he's putting in are ok for a single pair hand imo. If he checks the river bet half the pot. But bet half the pot in future hands if you have nothing.

[MC]

I'm thinking hero should raise raise pre, despite tight image might mean villain passing. AKs just too strong...

Flat on flop is good. As played, I think hero should flat the turn and bet on river if he checks, and call or raise depending on river bet and instinct at the time...

Difficult to get away from this on the turn. Against this opponent. I'm inclined to call.

[Royal Flush]

This thread has tilted me so damn hard i would type a proper reply but internet connection is tilting me almost as hard, i will do one later in the week.

[maldini32]

wow, if a lass check/mins me on the turn and i have AA i call and check call riv. Villain is fearless

[mondatoo]

As i said previously i don't like the min raise at all unless our goal was to get it all in on the turn which against this aggro opp we are still likely to be ahead.However i generally would agree with pab (as he is much better than me hehe) no seriously though (drinkaments ftw) generally when i have tp and a fd i like to mix it up and try and trap by just flatting since we generally have the best hand but are giving the opportunity to our opp to barrel the river then if we miss the nuts we can re-evaluate as we are still likely to be ahead

Good to see pab and moorman posting in the pha board even if it is just ^^^^^^^ lol us mere mortals i'm sure would love to read more from you 2 good post pab

At least my posts can't be as bad as in the other thread that will now obviously be forgotten never to be seen again 

[X] 14+ bottles of becks is a good idea on a monday night

[Laxie]

Really do appreciate the input Lads.

This thread has tilted me so damn hard i would type a proper reply but internet connection is tilting me almost as hard, i will do one later in the week.

This should be fun.     Bring it on Flushy.  Want to learn and get better, so I can take it. 

[Ironside]

This thread has tilted me so damn hard i would type a proper reply but internet connection is tilting me almost as hard, i will do one later in the week.

still waiting

[Ironside]

This thread has tilted me so damn hard i would type a proper reply but internet connection is tilting me almost as hard, i will do one later in the week.

still waiting

still waiting

[Royal Flush]

£350 buy in Live MTT. Hero in for £35.

40 left, 5 Paid, 11k average

Hero 20,000. Not me. Image "tighter than you tighty"

Villain 21,000

blinds 100-200

Villian Loose, raises liberally, aggressive post. Shown a lot of "paint card" type hands at showdown having been original raiser, and hitting striaghts/flushes irrespective of pot odds

Villain raises to 600 in MP

Hero looks at  . Flats.

Flop     

Villain bets 1500, Hero calls

Turn 

Villain bets 1500, hero raises to 3000

Villain pushes.


Critique of Hero's play pre-flop and flop please, plus your action to the push.

ta.


Hopefully Hero will then identify themselves if you aren't too harsh......!

This is yet another perfect example of someone doing something with no clue as to why they are doing it. How can you possibly ever get to a hand on the turn, raise with 'a hand' and not know how to respond to a 3 bet?!? This always amazes me, NEVER RAISE WITH A HAND IN THIS SPOT WITHOUT A 3 BET PLAN!

Right now as to whether we should raise the key here is down to the dynamics of the table and the respective images of the 2 players in question.

"Tighter than Tighty" so you have a tight image and are playing against a lag you flat pre with AK soooted, fair enough you flop TPTK you call fair enough you turn a nut draw he fires again. Now think when he fires the turn what does he put you on? Tight players flats on a K94 board, if i am him i am thinking Kx or QQ-TT i am hardy likely to fire a 2nd barrel into such a dry board, for that reason we must give him credit for some form of hand.

So here we are in a spot where our oppo probably has a hand although its probably worse than ours so its going to be very hard to win a big pot given our image, however if he does have a better hand than us we have a disguised nut draw that will surely get us some action, so we must flat in this spot.

Now lets see what happens if we have a far more balanced range, this is what we should always be striving to have.


So this guy raises i find AK sooooted i decide to flat, i have been pretty active raising a lot of pots playing a lot of flops, i decide to flat AK because i haven't really been 3 betting as of yet. The flop comes K94r and my oppo leads into me for some reason i decide to again flat call, maybe trying to look like i am floating him.

Now the turn comes and i pick up th NFD and he bets 1500 into me, this is a great spot for me to raise to induce a 3 bet or a call down from a much wider range of hands, so i go ahead and raise probably more than min say 4k, now before i have done this i already know that if he 3 bets i am calling as my range is far wider than nut 1 pair or 2pr/sets so he can 3 bet me far more liberally he can even 3 bet to induce a 4 bet with 1 pair hands. He can also show up here a lot with QT QJ JT clubs hands that will probably get through against my raise but not a tight woman's turn raise.

This is why its ridic to try and examine this hand without knowing the table dynamics, and why its such a huge error to raise and fold when you have great showdown value.

So will everyone please stop raising/re-raising then gettng confused when its put back up them!