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« on: December 07, 2008, 02:40:52 PM »

OK I am REALLY trying not be results orientated.

The situation:

50 odd left. Average stack is 50k. I have 85k at start of hand and villan is the only player at the table who has me covered. Blinds are 600/1200/100.

Villan is a bit of a donkey not to put too fine a point on it. He called an all with 10 8 for half his stack cos it's his fave hand. Then called an all with J 10 for 15k blind 400/800 (quarter of his stack) and won. He plays a wide range of hands and obviously over values them

My image: I've been fairly active and value bit pretty thiin on the river a couple of times. I bet half pot on an 87642 board with A8 (which was good and got a caller) and have recently been bluffed off a pot with 4 6 after value betting on the river perhaps too thin! I've also value shoved the river with AQ on a 642Q7 board and got a call from QJ. I've also been opening my fair share of pots.

It folds round to me on the button and I look down at KK. I raise to 3475 and find the villan calling from the big blind. I can't begin to put him on a hand cos I know he's calling with a very wide range.

The flop comes down J 10 2 two spades. He checks I bet 6500- he calls.

The turn is a 4 (still 2 spades). He checks again so I bet 18k- one to bet for value against a Jack, 2- out price him from a draw. He tanks for a bit before calling. I'm a little worried that he may have J 10 but not overly. I'm also pretty sure now he doens't have spades.

The river comes another 4 and he knuckles it one last time. There's around 58k in the pot now. We both have 57k left. My question is:

Should I value bet? Should I value shove or should I just check it here?Huh?  There is a lot of money in the pot- and if I win I'm up to 114k. If I value bet or even value shove I'm up to 161k.

Obviously if i check and lose I still have a healthy 57k with blinds just about to go to 800/1600/100. If I bet and lose I'm obviously out.

Is it sometimes to leave some value on the table to preserve your tournament life???
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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2008, 02:45:45 PM »

I think i'm just checking in this spot with him check calling two streets

I don't really like value betting in this spot if you aren't sure whether your ahead or not against such a loose player he may well have hit 2pair


Edit Obv misread post didn't see board had paired lol,shove it in.If the board hadn't paired and river was a blank then would people just check ?
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2008, 02:47:58 PM »

yes but we have a better2! im betting here against this donk 100% of the time.
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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2008, 02:51:48 PM »

Gotta bet the river. The pair up of the 44 has jus killed his 2 pr hand if he ever had it.

Checking behind here is weak imo.
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2008, 02:53:03 PM »

yes but we have a better2! im betting here against this donk 100% of the time.
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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2008, 02:55:06 PM »

how much would u bet? and what would u do if he came over the top?
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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2008, 02:58:58 PM »

value shove
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2008, 03:00:18 PM »

value shove
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2008, 03:12:31 PM »

I'm certainly not checking the river, even though I really dont think he had J10 anyway cos what better spot to shove on the turn when you bet 18k?

Don't know if I value shove cos he might find a fold for a jack, I probably bet 32k and insta call the rest with fist pump.

Please dont tell us he has A4 of spades.
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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2008, 04:07:12 PM »

Against this guy (whom you call a bit of a donkey, I call the whole donkey) you have to bet the river, so many hands you beat he seems happy to call with on the river.

My guess is (based on tone of the original post) he showed up with 45, 34 o4 a4 of spades.
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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2008, 04:22:29 PM »

I guess I was just looking for some assuarance that I made the right play- really hard when you've bust such a big stack deepish in a comp.

I shoved and he insta called showing J4.
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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2008, 04:23:15 PM »

I guess I was just looking for some assuarance that I made the right play- really hard when you've bust such a big stack deepish in a comp.

I shoved and he insta called showing J4.

You just ran bad, ul
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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2008, 04:25:09 PM »


Yep i like this against this type of player and the fact you beat all 2 pr hands (apart from a very strangely played aa).
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« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2008, 06:29:21 PM »

It was a sick pot and very unlucky, i would be 36k probs.

For what its worth a few people said you were playing really really good and i am loving your 1 pair value shoves and ropey value bets.

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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2008, 06:32:57 PM »

It was a sick pot and very unlucky, i would be 36k probs.

For what its worth a few people said you were playing really really good and i am loving your 1 pair value shoves and ropey value bets.

Brighton in Jan?

Thanks Flushy- you've made me feel better- yeah I felt I was playing well- obv couldn't put him on the J4. Probably me done on the tours for a while tbh- can't continue to justify the cost! Will be trying to qualify for them though!!!
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