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« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2008, 11:32:47 AM »

as per the hand, we arent getting away from it. my line would be to induce a bluff so i bet 350-450 and snap the shove.

And for that Post alone, I'm glad I Posted this hand, simply because.....

I DO tend to leave a lot of chips behind, & kill my action, in cases like this, normally. I'm talking Live Tourneys, deeper-stacked now. If I have the nuts, yes, if course I CR, but most often, I shove too early, & kill my action.

A huge weakness in my game - not optimising the value of my hands.
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« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2008, 11:34:38 AM »

You'll get a lot of callers with worse hands in this even if you shove.
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« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2008, 11:42:15 AM »

You'll get a lot of callers with worse hands in this even if you shove.

but it still narrows ur oppos range somewhat rather than if you just bet/call.
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« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2008, 11:54:00 AM »

You'll get a lot of callers with worse hands in this even if you shove.

but it still narrows ur oppos range somewhat rather than if you just bet/call.

Yeah, it would it most comps.  7-minute levels on Sky though, and it is tikay - so spite calls as well.
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« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2008, 01:24:26 PM »

im on life tilt with this thread. He's limp/calling 450 pre so he's probs passive donk, so b/c is best. V any competent oppo, you pretty much have a lock and i would be b/c or c/r flop pending image/dynamic. Im afraid shoving the flop is kinda forcing him to play perfectly. b/f if you hate money im afraid.
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« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2008, 01:25:09 PM »

Shove.


Betting to induce this shallow is ridic imo, what is he going to shove the flop with that he won't call a shove with?
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« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2008, 01:28:16 PM »

OMG. Flushy endorses a play of mine. My reputation is in tatters.
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« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2008, 01:40:24 PM »

You played the hand perfectly imo.
LOL @ 9xBB though.
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« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2008, 02:36:30 PM »

I would never fold Queens here with the starting stack you get. So the only question is how best to get the money in? You said pre-flop that you bet big because you were sure you would get action from this guy....so betting big now is pretty consistent with your early opinion of him. It "felt right" because this is the feeling you get when you take ownership of somebody. You know him. You know he will snap your hand off with lots of hands so you push instinctively like. Many times he shows the A of spades alone and very very seldomly it will have a little spade friend. On these occasions you will look stupid and have to explain. But like James said trying to outwit and outmove on an all spade board with no chips and no readz is hard.
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« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2008, 02:47:20 PM »

lol @ the analysts saying they hate the shove on the flop.

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« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2008, 04:53:41 PM »

how are the analysts chosen? Apart from the right honourable lord kendall I have seen some very suspect advice given.
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« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2008, 06:14:44 PM »

Shove.


Betting to induce this shallow is ridic imo, what is he going to shove the flop with that he won't call a shove with?

lol its a £20 fo on sky poker.
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« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2008, 07:23:00 PM »

how are the analysts chosen? Apart from the right honourable lord kendall I have seen some very suspect advice given.

I'll answer this later, (out of time right now) as best as I can, because I don't really know, but I DO know the criteria.
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« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2008, 02:25:49 PM »

how are the analysts chosen? Apart from the right honourable lord kendall I have seen some very suspect advice given.

I'll answer this later, (out of time right now) as best as I can, because I don't really know, but I DO know the criteria.

Michelle Orpe - I think that's obvious.

The rest - meh, who cares.
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« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2008, 06:27:44 PM »

how are the analysts chosen? Apart from the right honourable lord kendall I have seen some very suspect advice given.

A question, and an implied, but entirely objective, criticism, there, and I'll deal with them seperately.

So Cos,, as you say, sparing my blushes I imagine, "suspect advice, the honourable Lord Kendall apart", I'll answer best I can, but exclude myself from the the content of the reply, as one can but wonder how I got the gig.

"suspect advice".

Well yes, possibly, & possibly not.

Consider first that the market Sky Poker serves is a little different to the poker world you inhabit. Many, the majority in fact, of Sky Poker players are quite new to the game, & advice given is tailored with that in mind.

And of course, we all see every situation different, even the Big Boomer Boys rarely agree on detail.

Take the question I Posted in this thread. Everyone pretty much agreed, all the Chips were going in, Passing was never an Option as it played out. We all agreed that I think. But the line we took differed substantially, with HotPots such as Flushy, Action Man, & Alex, all taking different slants as to how, & when, the money should go in. They cannot all be right - or can they? Ask anyone how to play, say, A-K, in a given situation, & I bet you get 20 different answers.

If you agreed with, say, Flushy on this thread, then by definition, you disagreed with, say, Rick, or Alex. Does that make the advice of any of them, suspect? No, of course not. It's just different routes to the same end, & it's all subjective.

So, if someone has a different view to, say, you, it does not necessarily mean that advice is suspect. It may, but not necessarily. That's why PHA Boards are such great reading - so many different views on identical subjects & seemingly simple questions.

TV Analysts are no different. They offer differing views, sometimes ABC, sometimes not, & it's all good fodder to mull over.

How are the Analysts chosen? See the next Post, please.
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