Savvy play or out of order?

[Royal Flush]

lol Boldie he never mucked them, where is the muck!!!

[WarBwastard]

He makes the muck by throwing his hand away.  The thing is, the reason why he ought to have his finger nails peeled off slowly and seven generations of his family cursed, is because he's taking advantage of everyone's good nature.  They could insist his hand remained dead, but they let it go out of the goodness of their hearts god bless their cotton socks, and he knows they're gonna do that and he takes advantage of it.  It's exploiting the tiny morsel of charity you find in a poker game and it's bally well not on I tells ya.   

[boldie]

lol Boldie he never mucked them, where is the muck!!!

so are we saying that the first person folding can take them back as there is no much yet? Surely throwing your cards a foot away from yourself towards the dealer means that they are mucked if you start the muck?

[scotty2hatty]

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[relaedgc]

I used to return the cards to people that mucked them on the BB but after the furore it tends to cause, I just sweep them into the muck now. I've had rulings go both ways on it, but the way I see it now, no one can fault me for pulling cards into the muck that are over the line and it's the technically correct thing to do with them since they've been thrown over the action line. It's up to the player to know that it is his BB, his responsibility to know that he has already posted.

Plenty of dealers that I know do the opposite, though. There seems to be mixed opinion on the "correct" decision, since there isn't anything written. I don't think it makes you a "piss poor dealer" if you allow the person their cards back, though. It's just a difference between nice and asshole. I'm gradually leaning further towards the latter.

[boldie]

I used to return the cards to people that mucked them on the BB but after the furore it tends to cause, I just sweep them into the muck now. I've had rulings go both ways on it, but the way I see it now, no one can fault me for pulling cards into the muck that are over the line and it's the technically correct thing to do with them since they've been thrown over the action line. It's up to the player to know that it is his BB, his responsibility to know that he has already posted.

Plenty of dealers that I know do the opposite, though. There seems to be mixed opinion on the "correct" decision, since there isn't anything written. I don't think it makes you a "piss poor dealer" if you allow the person their cards back, though. It's just a difference between nice and asshole. I'm gradually leaning further towards the latter.

Good stuff and happy to hear it Really, it's up to the player to pay attention in this case, you're doing the right thing.

[gatso]

it's the technically correct thing to do with them since they've been thrown over the action line.

err, there's no such thing as an action line though is there? it's a betting line

[MANTIS01]

The golden rule of poker is protect your hand at all times cos if you don't the dealer could muck your cards. The reason that's important is because it's so common for dealers to muck live unprotected cards. In this hand there is no danger of this happening cos the dealer is actually providing the protection from the muck. That's nice. A problem only arises when you decide to judge for yourself the player has folded his hand by pushing it into the muck. But the guy only pushed his hand out there. And that is all he did. He didn't muck his cards. He put them in a precarious position yes, but it's not up to any other player to say that constitutes a fold. The muck is imaginary and is only defined by a pile of cards. When your cards get mingled in with the other discarded cards they are mucked. But in this example there are NO discarded cards, so there is no muck. Thus his cards aren't mucked. If he verbally declared FOLD that's different.

I remember I did this once and the savvy players at the table pounced on my blind like a pack of fecking jackals. If you get outwitted at the table by drawing conclusions another player wants you to draw then you have been outpokered plain & simple.

[boldie]

The golden rule of poker is protect your hand at all times cos if you don't the dealer could muck your cards. The reason that's important is because it's so common for dealers to muck live unprotected cards. In this hand there is no danger of this happening cos the dealer is actually providing the protection from the muck. That's nice. A problem only arises when you decide to judge for yourself the player has folded his hand by pushing it into the muck. But the guy only pushed his hand out there. And that is all he did. He didn't muck his cards. He put them in a precarious position yes, but it's not up to any other player to say that constitutes a fold. The muck is imaginary and is only defined by a pile of cards. When your cards get mingled in with the other discarded cards they are mucked. But in this example there are NO discarded cards, so there is no muck. Thus his cards aren't mucked. If he verbally declared FOLD that's different.

I remember I did this once and the savvy players at the table pounced on my blind like a pack of fecking jackals. If you get outwitted at the table by drawing conclusions another player wants you to draw then you have been outpokered plain & simple.

So this is the same with UTG? If he doesn't say anything but throws his cards back at the dealer and then says "ohno, call anyways" he can get the cards back?


pffffffffffffft@ that.