just need opinions

[noble1]

in the very early stages,any thoughts on villians range here and my line of play,what would you do in this situation, much appreciated ..
no reads or notes on villian


FTOPS Event #11 (62637930), Table 109 - 15/30 - No
Limit Hold'em - 21:02:51 ET - 2008/11/11
SB posts small blind [15]
Hero posts big blind [30]
Seat 9 (BTN) has the button.
Seat 1 : SB with 5000 chips.
Seat 2 : Hero with 4985 chips.
Seat 3 : UTG with 4970 chips.
Seat 5 : UTG+1 with 5000 chips.
Seat 6 : MP1 with 5000 chips.
Seat 7 : MP2 with 4910 chips.
Seat 8 : CO with 5000 chips.
Seat 9 : BTN with 5135 chips.

** Dealing hole cards **
Dealt to Hero :
Sklansky group: 3
UTG folds
UTG+1 folds
MP1 folds
MP2 raises to 90
CO folds
BTN folds
SB calls [75]
Hero calls [60]
** Dealing Flop ** [Potsize: 270]

SB checks
Hero checks
MP2 bets [190]
SB folds
Hero raises to 690
MP2 raises to 1590
Hero ??

[x_posed]

A set is definately possible here but I think AQ, or maybe an overpair are more likely. I would probably shove here, not sure on the average standard of play or buy in for this tournament etc but I don't see the point in calling a raise pre if you hit the flop this hard and are gonna pass. Flatting is also ok imo and check/shoving a blank on the turn (assuming mp2 will bet the turn that is).

[noble1]

A set is definately possible here but I think AQ, or maybe an overpair are more likely. I would probably shove here, not sure on the average standard of play or buy in for this tournament etc but I don't see the point in calling a raise pre if you hit the flop this hard and are gonna pass. Flatting is also ok imo and check/shoving a blank on the turn (assuming mp2 will bet the turn that is).

buy in is $1000 , there was a few satellite qualifiers in this but as far as i could tell at the time there were none on this table.

[GreekStein]

no choice but to shove imo.

So many hands like AKcc or an overplayed KK AA AQ in his range that you have to get it in.

If you've run into a set its a cooler.

[AlexMartin]

greek is right, too many AXcc combos to pass. btw why raise so enormous on flop? i dislike

[noble1]

i have been experimenting with my bet sizing in the early stages of deep stacked mtts,with me being oop and no reads on villian i judged that his raise range from the hi-jack position would be fairly wide.
With it being so early in the mtt and that i have 166bb at the beginning of this hand i tend to like to have the nuts before committing my whole stack.
My plan at the time after seeing his bet on the flop was to make a value re-raise [to big?] plus get some info on villians range as i was not thrilled with being oop.
Wrongly or rightly i figured if villian had AQ KQ he met fold or just call my re-raise.Like wise if he had ATcc or similar type draw hands he may just fold or call and see a turn card and see what action i'd take on the turn. If the turn was to be a blank then i'd fire out again around 2/3 ish pot and re-evaluate if he called that bet as well and even if the river was a blank TBH i would hope for a check check.If he was to lead out on the river then i'd spew up 
But he re-raised me on the flop,my plan if i was re-raised back was to fold [right or wrong?],so what range would you guys put villian regarding how the action has gone up to now?
Also i hoped for some input on how you guys play 2 pair oop in these type of situations [board texture,no reads]

[gatso]

But he re-raised me on the flop,my plan if i was re-raised back was to fold [right or wrong?]

so you consciously decided to play top 2 as a bluff, hmm, possibly not a great idea. don't bother playing JQ pf if that's what your going to do when the flop smacks you in the face

[George2Loose]

He could have some sort of combo draw but I think you have to get it in here- could be a disgusting cooler

[noble1]

But he re-raised me on the flop,my plan if i was re-raised back was to fold [right or wrong?]

so you consciously decided to play top 2 as a bluff, hmm, possibly not a great idea. don't bother playing JQ pf if that's what your going to do when the flop smacks you in the face

no i hoped i was making a value bet with a fairly strong holding that would be ahead of top pair/draw type hands but i figured
if villian re-raised that i was beat , right or wrong?

[bolt pp]

get it in all day long

[pokerfan]

u get allin and see  suck/resuck standard.

[noble1]

so the all in camp says shove the rest of my 143bb stack? is this wise? with 2 pair and no reads prior to hand?
i am still not convinced by the all in on flop argument,is there anyone who can justify it differently as to being the right line to take?

[NoflopsHomer]

greek is right, too many AXcc combos to pass. btw why raise so enormous on flop? i dislike

I don't mind it, it looks like a drawy-ish raise.

[bolt pp]

so the all in camp says shove the rest of my 143bb stack? is this wise? with 2 pair and no reads prior to hand?
i am still not convinced by the all in on flop argument,is there anyone who can justify it differently as to being the right line to take?

What are the alternatives?

Flatting, what hand are you putting him on that you want to flat here but dont want AI on the flop? we're not flatting to trap trap because the board is too draw heavy and oppos already got over 1/3 of his stack in so are we're flatting to fold to an A, K, club or 2 turn? would just be terrible!

folding, youve called with the qj hit a bingo flop, if he's got 22 it's a cooler but there are several fd/pair combos ad kk-aa we can put him on and it would just be too sick to fold, you'd spend the rest of the tourney grabbing on your bollox crying.

I have come up with a third alternative, gay min raise ftw then if he reshoves you can fold knowing you're def beat and sit out for a couple of hands whilst you go in the kitchen, pour a can of soup over your head and scream at your bemused dog: "yeah what, i just poured that hienz over my head, and? that how i roll"!!!! then you come back and take down the comp.

[AlexMartin]

greek is right, too many AXcc combos to pass. btw why raise so enormous on flop? i dislike

I don't mind it, it looks like a drawy-ish raise.

looks too big to induce any action from crushed hands imo. also fd's will/should realise they have much less FE as your range is more defined.

op. your line is fine as long as you call, dont see skeletons in the closet. you have top two, folding is bad, poker players are generally dumb and you have eff nuts.


p.s combinatronics ftmfw.