Ruling from £50k Gtd at DTD this weekend..

[celtic]

was the dealer a regular DTD dealer?

No it wasn't.  He was a dealer though and was helping them out as they were so short.  He was fine apart from this little mishap!

He was on my 1st table. Was excellent.

[Splash]

was the dealer a regular DTD dealer?

No it wasn't.  He was a dealer though and was helping them out as they were so short.  He was fine apart from this little mishap!

He was on my 1st table. Was excellent.

Felt a bit sorry for him TBH... think he was almost as gutted as the player

[phatomch]

It's the players responsibility to look after their cards. It's harsh but it's the way it is. Them cards are dead and that's that.

What would the ruling be if I had a chip on my cards and the dealer swiped them?

You'd have to hope the dealer would not swipe your cards in this situation, but you'll find the ruling would be more in your favour in this instance as you've done all you can reasonably do to fulfill your protecting cards obligation.

it doesnt matter if the dealer has slapped the player in the face and stole the cards out of their hands whilst they are dazed, if they get mucked they are mucked, no getting them back at all

[gatso]

The hand is dead harsh but fair. He should never of had to pay the extra.

why? he declared ai

[LeKnave]

if thts the rule surely he'd have to put his whole stack in.

[phatomch]

because the dealer didn't take the all-in as the action, he mucked his cards and awarded the pot to the other bloke. Allow this and apply this ruling and you are opening the game up to all sorts of dealer /player collusion/ angle shooting.

Imagine you say all in heads up, the dealer takes your cards and then his mate still left in the pot is awarded all the pot and all your chips, its crazy.

[gatso]

if thts the rule surely he'd have to put his whole stack in.

no, if your hand is accidentally mucked while you're ai uncalled bets are returned to you so everything over the oppo's raise is returned. if oppo says call then the dealer mucks then the whole stack goes in

[Bigfella]

I was on this table too, and from memory the situation could have got worse. I think i'm right in saying that after the kk guy raised, two others players flat called (not me of course, i folded every hand on day one as usual!!) before Nirvana raised. After the all in verbal declaration was made, if any one of the two original flat callers had said "call" then he could have lost all his chips. Say one of them was playing AA they would be faced with giving up their chips to Nirvana or busting a guy with no cards to showdown.

I have seen a similar thing happen before in Vegas and the ruling was harsher. After the dealer mucked the all in guys cards the other player was told he could call and take all the other players chips or fold and give up the pot - he called! The reasoning is something like verbal bets are binding and it's up to the player to protect his hand.

With the DTD incident, I agree the guy took it really in his stride after his obvious frustration. He was a good player too.


As an aside, reallly enjoyed the tourney and went out in about 33rd in the end. The event was so well supported and despite being short of a dealer or too it was run really well. I also got a lift to DTD in the boybandmobile - highlight of my poker career to date! Cheers LeKnave, I owe you a beer!

[gatso]

because the dealer didn't take the all-in as the action, he mucked his cards and awarded the pot to the other bloke. Allow this and apply this ruling and you are opening the game up to all sorts of dealer /player collusion/ angle shooting.

Imagine you say all in heads up, the dealer takes your cards and then his mate still left in the pot is awarded all the pot and all your chips, its crazy.

irrelevant what the dealer took as action, he fucked up, that's why a ruling was needed. td now needs to reconstuct what happened which was- bet, raise, ai, dealer muck so the raise needs to be matched

[LeKnave]

because the dealer didn't take the all-in as the action, he mucked his cards and awarded the pot to the other bloke. Allow this and apply this ruling and you are opening the game up to all sorts of dealer /player collusion/ angle shooting.

Imagine you say all in heads up, the dealer takes your cards and then his mate still left in the pot is awarded all the pot and all your chips, its crazy.

irrelevant what the dealer took as action, he fucked up, that's why a ruling was needed. td now needs to reconstuct what happened which was- bet, raise, ai, dealer muck so the raise needs to be matched

so if the player was truly shrewd he wdve just said nothing and lose 1800.  well, if he was truly shrewd he'd have his hand holding his cards, but the next shrewdest would be to say nothing and act as if he did fold.

[gatso]

yeah, he should've just gone with what the dealer thought happened, not even any need to get the floor over then

[The_nun]

I also got a lift to DTD in the boybandmobile - highlight of my poker career to date! Cheers LeKnave, I owe you a beer!

Did you travel in the actual boybandmobile or the taxi in front which they book to lead them they way.

[LeKnave]

I also got a lift to DTD in the boybandmobile - highlight of my poker career to date! Cheers LeKnave, I owe you a beer!

Did you travel in the actual boybandmobile or the taxi in front which they book to lead them they way.

haha M. np BigFella.

[Geo the Sarge]

I also got a lift to DTD in the boybandmobile - highlight of my poker career to date! Cheers LeKnave, I owe you a beer!

Did you travel in the actual boybandmobile or the taxi in front which they book to lead them they way.

[kinboshi]

I also got a lift to DTD in the boybandmobile - highlight of my poker career to date! Cheers LeKnave, I owe you a beer!

Did you travel in the actual boybandmobile or the taxi in front which they book to lead them they way.

+1

genius.