Bottom Set

[TightEnd]

Live £100 MTT

Level 1 25-50

Villain 6,000 old school reasonably conservative

Hero 7,700


Villian  limps UTG, 2 further limps and Hero limps on button with 

blinds complete/check

flop 

Checked by blinds and Villian to LAG Aggro MP limper who makes it 200

Folded to Hero who makes it 800

Villian check re-raises to 1600

folded to Hero, action on him


Given type of Villain and betting pattern, can this be a reluctant fold? Or is it a routine push?

[DaveShoelace]

Certainly ain't a fold, he could easily be going nuts with 77-TT and even now and then the 'old school' guys will limp with kings-aces.

Pushing isnt awful, because I can still see him calling you with an overpair a lot of the time here and you do have outs for the rare times he has 45. I actually like calling his check raise and giving him rope/reassessing on the turn.

If he turns over a straight or better set then you were just unlucky

[NoflopsHomer]

Flat, shove turn.

[TightEnd]

Certainly ain't a fold, he could easily be going nuts with 77-TT and even now and then the 'old school' guys will limp with kings-aces.

Pushing isnt awful, because I can still see him calling you with an overpair a lot of the time here and you do have outs for the rare times he has 45. I actually like calling his check raise and giving him rope/reassessing on the turn.

If he turns over a straight or better set then you were just unlucky

I understand giving him rope, but what is there likely to be, to reassess the turn from current thoughts?

[GlasgowBandit]

Flat, shove turn.

this for me.  I am never folding here.

[DaveShoelace]

Certainly ain't a fold, he could easily be going nuts with 77-TT and even now and then the 'old school' guys will limp with kings-aces.

Pushing isnt awful, because I can still see him calling you with an overpair a lot of the time here and you do have outs for the rare times he has 45. I actually like calling his check raise and giving him rope/reassessing on the turn.

If he turns over a straight or better set then you were just unlucky

I understand giving him rope, but what is there likely to be, to reassess the turn from current thoughts?

Dunno actually, skip the reassess bit, im so used to writing the words 'reassess the turn' it just happened

[boldie]

Flat, shove turn.

This

[gatso]

Flat, shove turn.

this

when you limped botom set was what you were hoping for, you've got it so let's get those chips

[Royal Flush]

Why did you make it 800 on the flop?

BTW have to say tighty you post the best hands for analysis

[GreekStein]

Hmm this is close but I don't see why fold can't be a real consideration here. Is he a decent nit? Played together before? Does he know your game?

Against a conservative villain at the 25-50 level when it's gone bet-raise-reraise in a limped pot I see him showing up with 66 or 33 here more often than a limp with AA or KK. I'm assuming he never limps utg with 45. Best case scenario is AA or KK.

One other consideration for me here is the structure of the tourney. If its really fast I felt here if not I think folding is ok.

[TightEnd]

Why did you make it 800 on the flop?

BTW have to say tighty you post the best hands for analysis

800, I think I can get the LAG, Dave Courtney, to come along with me and am not that scared of losing him (as it happens he was intending to reraise me all in with the bare 6! until the check raise comes)


seriously the best hands?! or ironic humour!?

[TightEnd]

Hmm this is close but I don't see why fold can't be a real consideration here. Is he a decent nit? Played together before? Does he know your game?

Against a conservative villain at the 25-50 level when it's gone bet-raise-reraise in a limped pot I see him showing up with 66 or 33 here more often than a limp with AA or KK. I'm assuming he never limps utg with 45. Best case scenario is AA or KK.

One other consideration for me here is the structure of the tourney. If its really fast I felt here if not I think folding is ok.

its a slow comp

I disregarded 45

33,66 or an overpair for me..but he checks an overpair when checked to on the flop, after limping utg? I didn't think so

At the table I seriously considered a fold given this.

[Royal Flush]

Why did you make it 800 on the flop?

BTW have to say tighty you post the best hands for analysis

800, I think I can get the LAG, Dave Courtney, to come along with me and am not that scared of losing him (as it happens he was intending to reraise me all in with the bare 6! until the check raise comes)


seriously the best hands?! or ironic humour!?

Being serious you always present the OP well and the debate is always indepth, even if the hands appear at first to be 'simple'

If someone is new to PHA your threads are the best 1's for them to read imo

[MC]

Certainly ain't a fold, he could easily be going nuts with 77-TT and even now and then the 'old school' guys will limp with kings-aces.

Pushing isnt awful, because I can still see him calling you with an overpair a lot of the time here and you do have outs for the rare times he has 45. I actually like calling his check raise and giving him rope/reassessing on the turn.

If he turns over a straight or better set then you were just unlucky

^^Agree with this...

[GreekStein]

Hmm this is close but I don't see why fold can't be a real consideration here. Is he a decent nit? Played together before? Does he know your game?

Against a conservative villain at the 25-50 level when it's gone bet-raise-reraise in a limped pot I see him showing up with 66 or 33 here more often than a limp with AA or KK. I'm assuming he never limps utg with 45. Best case scenario is AA or KK.

One other consideration for me here is the structure of the tourney. If its really fast I felt here if not I think folding is ok.

its a slow comp

I disregarded 45

33,66 or an overpair for me..but he checks an overpair when checked to on the flop, after limping utg? I didn't think so

At the table I seriously considered a fold given this.

I agree that he probably leads with an overpair on this flop. I can't see an overpair going mad and if he knows you at all he wont be liking Aces at all in this spot. Looks like he's limped with 33 or 66 and hit the jackpot.

It's horrible folding a set on a board like this in live poker but his hand stinks of a monster here. FWIW I dont ever remember folding a set live.

Maybe I'm completely wrong but all I have to go on is the assumption that this guy is a decent tight old guy who has played the game a bit and therefore wont be donking off here with one pair, whether it be AA or 77. If he knows how tight you are makes even more of a case for folding

Really curious to know what Flushy's decision would be.