blonde & Poker Trillion

[totalise]

Can you all wait untill i ve got my money out please

either the money is ringfenced and its safe, or the money is already in a bunch of caribbean accounts whereby you wont ever see it again. It doesn't matter what happens from here. Your fate is already determined. Your account has travelled 22 years to get here. And now it's here. And it's either heads or tails

[tikay]

is Robert Cooper not one of the owners?

It was my understanding that, pre-September, Achilleas & Robert were joint investors/backers.

Achilleas told me he was no longer involved or connected, since 5 or 6 months back, & I assume Robert - another good friend to me down the years - would act in concert with Achilleas. So if Achilleas is not involved now - & he he is not, because he told me so, in a 'phone call, then ditto Robert. 

God, this is all so uncomforatble, talking about friends in this manner. What a mess.

IMO if they were good friends they would roll up their sleeves and see what they can do to get you more information. Try and help you, get their hands dirty to see what they can find out for you. It's what any good friend would do.

Sorry but I would.

Right, I'm gonna try & pick up a few of the points everyone has raised, starting here.

It depends on the definition of "good friends". Achilleas has aways been very kind & generous to me, & there is a story about him I will Post on my diary shortly, as it's not really appropriate for this thread. But he acted, on that occasion, in an exceedingly honourable manner, in a betting/gambling debt matter that he was not responsible for.

I suppose I'd be classed as a casual, or social,  friend of his, rather than a true friend. Real friends - it depends on how you define it - but I have about 3 in the world. I would expect those three to sort it. He is not one of those three.  This is business, money, & you know how it is, they don't generally mix well. Achilleas is a stunningly successful businessman, & a very personable individual. He's not involved any more, so that's that really.

I rang him, no reply, I left a message, he called back within minutes. He was, it seemed, open & helpful, up to a point. He said he was not involved any more, so I never pressed him further.

I have no issues, or problems, with Achilleas, or Robert, so far as I am aware.

[morlspin]

PL seem determined not to allow the fact that PT owe money to another forum from being discussed on their site. Not much sympathy or support for another forum being shown there IMO.

Im gonna try and justify our owners actions here for a second as to why we arent opening a discussion on this yet.

Basically, he wants to find out the facts, the details and the exact situation before getting involved in any wars of words, and in my eyes i can understand that.

Blonde have known about the problems for 7 months i beleive i read earlier, PL have known for a matter of weeks.........we just want some time to go through the details and sort it out properly as and when we get the bigger picture. Once this is done, im sure there will be an open discussion for all members and visitors to join in with.

[tikay]

i would have thought that Achilleas being a billionaire an all would have preferred to dig some pocket change out the back of the sofa rather than let his name be dragged into all this. Cooper is very wealthy as well isn't he?

must be the credit crunch

Byron, you do ask the most interesting & thoughtful questions. Because that is EXACTLy how & why I came to ring him.

Someone "in the loop" suggested exactly what you said - he'd rather settle it from loose change, than have his name smeared.

But he told me he was not involved any more, had not been for many months, so he had no reason to stump up. Why should he? I was kinda hoping he might, actually, I do confess, but I cannot argue with the facts he gave me, & I have no complaints with him. None at all.

Credit Crunch affecting him? It's affecting everybody, & it's all relatuve. He deals in whopping numbers, so yes, I expect he's wincing a bit. We discussed this, in general terms, but that's not for here really. He'll get by, I fancy.

[Bigfella]

PL seem determined not to allow the fact that PT owe money to another forum from being discussed on their site. Not much sympathy or support for another forum being shown there IMO.

Im gonna try and justify our owners actions here for a second as to why we arent opening a discussion on this yet.

Basically, he wants to find out the facts, the details and the exact situation before getting involved in any wars of words, and in my eyes i can understand that.

Blonde have known about the problems for 7 months i beleive i read earlier, PL have known for a matter of weeks.........we just want some time to go through the details and sort it out properly as and when we get the bigger picture. Once this is done, im sure there will be an open discussion for all members and visitors to join in with.

With things like this emotion is bound to come into peoples thinking as that's what life is all about... I think many of us here value the community spirit so wnen I read elsewhere that the OP on this thread was "totally unacceptable and needless" it winds me up, as I disagree, and it feels like an attack against someone we all know works so hard for this forum and poker in general. So if he's not looking for a war of words as you state why throw such accusations?

Good luck with whatever you need to do before allowing your members to discuss this topic.

[tikay]

hmmm

players money safe

i feking hope so

Hugh

ShockABS ON BLONDE
AND FOR NOW ShockABS on Trillion

I am afraid you have whooshed me completely there. Can you, or anyone else, expand on what that means, please?

[tikay]

Can you all wait untill i ve got my money out please

Lol, there's no need, in my view, to withdraw. I've voiced that view, & a justificaton for it, many times.

[gatso]

hmmm

players money safe

i feking hope so

Hugh

ShockABS ON BLONDE
AND FOR NOW ShockABS on Trillion

I am afraid you have whooshed me completely there. Can you, or anyone else, expand on what that means, please?

errm, he's saying that he hopes his money is safe

shockabs is his username if that's the bit that's whooshing you

[tikay]

PL seem determined not to allow the fact that PT owe money to another forum from being discussed on their site. Not much sympathy or support for another forum being shown there IMO.

Im gonna try and justify our owners actions here for a second as to why we arent opening a discussion on this yet.

Basically, he wants to find out the facts, the details and the exact situation before getting involved in any wars of words, and in my eyes i can understand that.

Blonde have known about the problems for 7 months i beleive i read earlier, PL have known for a matter of weeks.........we just want some time to go through the details and sort it out properly as and when we get the bigger picture. Once this is done, im sure there will be an open discussion for all members and visitors to join in with.

I can pick up this one with the earlier the eariler posts made by BigFella & Geo the Sarge.

We don't have ny issues with Punters Lounge, never have. We respect other Poker Forums, & have a policy of geting along with them all, no cross-spamming, etc. That includes Punters Lounge.

They were, arguably,  rather brusque with Robert today, which I'm sad about, but that was Robert, not blonde. Robert can handle that. PL can do as they wish, it's their Forum.

".....Blonde have known about the problems for 7 months......"

Well no, that's disingenous. I never said that. I said the debt stretched back 7 months. People often pay a month or two late, three even, so it's 3 months down the line before alarm bells start ringing.

We became uneasy in, I guess, October or so. And we started probing, & debating, how to handle it then. A process I hope PL do not have to go through - I really do.

Some weeks ago, I made some subtle enquiries about Trillion's other alleged creditors, including, but not only, Punters Lounge. I got the message back, via an intermediary, "PL are not aware of any payment issues". Fair enough, that was the message I got. I was just compiling my dossier - it's a hefty one - & trying to fit all the evidence together.

I reiterate, we have no issues with Punters Lounge at all. I hope they escape unscathed.

[tikay]

hmmm

players money safe

i feking hope so

Hugh

ShockABS ON BLONDE
AND FOR NOW ShockABS on Trillion

I am afraid you have whooshed me completely there. Can you, or anyone else, expand on what that means, please?

errm, he's saying that he hopes his money is safe

shockabs is his username if that's the bit that's whooshing you

Oh, I see. I thought it was an abbreviation for "shock absorber", and a reference to a bumpy ride ahead.

Part of my brain is almost genius like (a very little part of it...), the rest is Premium Grade Donkey. There is no in-between bit, that's empty.

[morlspin]

PL seem determined not to allow the fact that PT owe money to another forum from being discussed on their site. Not much sympathy or support for another forum being shown there IMO.

Im gonna try and justify our owners actions here for a second as to why we arent opening a discussion on this yet.

Basically, he wants to find out the facts, the details and the exact situation before getting involved in any wars of words, and in my eyes i can understand that.

Blonde have known about the problems for 7 months i beleive i read earlier, PL have known for a matter of weeks.........we just want some time to go through the details and sort it out properly as and when we get the bigger picture. Once this is done, im sure there will be an open discussion for all members and visitors to join in with.

I can pick up this one with the earlier the eariler posts made by BigFella & Geo the Sarge.

We don't have ny issues with Punters Lounge, never have. We respect other Poker Forums, & have a policy of geting along with them all, no cross-spamming, etc. That includes Punters Lounge.

They were, arguably,  rather brusque with Robert today, which I'm sad about, but that was Robert, not blonde. Robert can handle that. PL can do as they wish, it's their Forum.

".....Blonde have known about the problems for 7 months......"

Well no, that's disingenous. I never said that. I said the debt stretched back 7 months. People often pay a month or two late, three even, so it's 3 months down the line before alarm bells start ringing.

We became uneasy in, I guess, October or so. And we started probing, & debating, how to handle it then. A process I hope PL do not have to go through - I really do.

Some weeks ago, I made some subtle enquiries about Trillion's other alleged creditors, including, but not only, Punters Lounge. I got the message back, via an intermediary, "PL are not aware of any payment issues". Fair enough, that was the message I got. I was just compiling my dossier - it's a hefty one - & trying to fit all the evidence together.

I reiterate, we have no issues with Punters Lounge at all. I hope they escape unscathed.

Thanks Tony

Ive spoken to Rob tonight and im going to address the issues asap

[tikay]

PL seem determined not to allow the fact that PT owe money to another forum from being discussed on their site. Not much sympathy or support for another forum being shown there IMO.

Im gonna try and justify our owners actions here for a second as to why we arent opening a discussion on this yet.

Basically, he wants to find out the facts, the details and the exact situation before getting involved in any wars of words, and in my eyes i can understand that.

Blonde have known about the problems for 7 months i beleive i read earlier, PL have known for a matter of weeks.........we just want some time to go through the details and sort it out properly as and when we get the bigger picture. Once this is done, im sure there will be an open discussion for all members and visitors to join in with.

With things like this emotion is bound to come into peoples thinking as that's what life is all about... I think many of us here value the community spirit so wnen I read elsewhere that the OP on this thread was "totally unacceptable and needless" it winds me up, as I disagree, and it feels like an attack against someone we all know works so hard for this forum and poker in general. So if he's not looking for a war of words as you state why throw such accusations?

Good luck with whatever you need to do before allowing your members to discuss this topic.

I agree, it seemed a little harsh to me. But we all see things different, because we stand in different places.

Rich did have some MSN chat with a PL Suit today. To be honest, it never went terribly well. They think we are out of line. Fair enough, that's their right to think that. Time may tell they are right. Or wrong.

[tikay]

PL seem determined not to allow the fact that PT owe money to another forum from being discussed on their site. Not much sympathy or support for another forum being shown there IMO.

Im gonna try and justify our owners actions here for a second as to why we arent opening a discussion on this yet.

Basically, he wants to find out the facts, the details and the exact situation before getting involved in any wars of words, and in my eyes i can understand that.

Blonde have known about the problems for 7 months i beleive i read earlier, PL have known for a matter of weeks.........we just want some time to go through the details and sort it out properly as and when we get the bigger picture. Once this is done, im sure there will be an open discussion for all members and visitors to join in with.

I can pick up this one with the earlier the eariler posts made by BigFella & Geo the Sarge.

We don't have ny issues with Punters Lounge, never have. We respect other Poker Forums, & have a policy of geting along with them all, no cross-spamming, etc. That includes Punters Lounge.

They were, arguably,  rather brusque with Robert today, which I'm sad about, but that was Robert, not blonde. Robert can handle that. PL can do as they wish, it's their Forum.

".....Blonde have known about the problems for 7 months......"

Well no, that's disingenous. I never said that. I said the debt stretched back 7 months. People often pay a month or two late, three even, so it's 3 months down the line before alarm bells start ringing.

We became uneasy in, I guess, October or so. And we started probing, & debating, how to handle it then. A process I hope PL do not have to go through - I really do.

Some weeks ago, I made some subtle enquiries about Trillion's other alleged creditors, including, but not only, Punters Lounge. I got the message back, via an intermediary, "PL are not aware of any payment issues". Fair enough, that was the message I got. I was just compiling my dossier - it's a hefty one - & trying to fit all the evidence together.

I reiterate, we have no issues with Punters Lounge at all. I hope they escape unscathed.

Thanks Tony

Ive spoken to Rob tonight and im going to address the issues asap

You too, Mr Morl Sir, & it's all very sad, this friend v friend thing. It's what happens when the wheels fall off.

I hope you are well, & in good heart.  I have a whole bunch of friends at PL, & nothing has changed this end.

[Robert HM]

Credit to morlspin for posting. I also hope PL get this sorted out to their satisfaction.

[morlspin]

PL seem determined not to allow the fact that PT owe money to another forum from being discussed on their site. Not much sympathy or support for another forum being shown there IMO.

Im gonna try and justify our owners actions here for a second as to why we arent opening a discussion on this yet.

Basically, he wants to find out the facts, the details and the exact situation before getting involved in any wars of words, and in my eyes i can understand that.

Blonde have known about the problems for 7 months i beleive i read earlier, PL have known for a matter of weeks.........we just want some time to go through the details and sort it out properly as and when we get the bigger picture. Once this is done, im sure there will be an open discussion for all members and visitors to join in with.

I can pick up this one with the earlier the eariler posts made by BigFella & Geo the Sarge.

We don't have ny issues with Punters Lounge, never have. We respect other Poker Forums, & have a policy of geting along with them all, no cross-spamming, etc. That includes Punters Lounge.

They were, arguably,  rather brusque with Robert today, which I'm sad about, but that was Robert, not blonde. Robert can handle that. PL can do as they wish, it's their Forum.

".....Blonde have known about the problems for 7 months......"

Well no, that's disingenous. I never said that. I said the debt stretched back 7 months. People often pay a month or two late, three even, so it's 3 months down the line before alarm bells start ringing.

We became uneasy in, I guess, October or so. And we started probing, & debating, how to handle it then. A process I hope PL do not have to go through - I really do.

Some weeks ago, I made some subtle enquiries about Trillion's other alleged creditors, including, but not only, Punters Lounge. I got the message back, via an intermediary, "PL are not aware of any payment issues". Fair enough, that was the message I got. I was just compiling my dossier - it's a hefty one - & trying to fit all the evidence together.

I reiterate, we have no issues with Punters Lounge at all. I hope they escape unscathed.

Thanks Tony

Ive spoken to Rob tonight and im going to address the issues asap

You too, Mr Morl Sir, & it's all very sad, this friend v friend thing. It's what happens when the wheels fall off.

I hope you are well, & in good heart.  I have a whole bunch of friends at PL, & nothing has changed this end.

Your spot on mate, not nice seeing things like this happen to anyone let alone friends.

Im doing great thanks, will probably bump into you at one of the sky poker events coming up or at the virgin festival in newcastle if your there. Hope your well yourself too, last time i saw you, we were in Caesars Palace and you were a little worse for wear before the 11.30pm tourney lol