Did I play this correctly?

[keilan303]

Don't really want to turn this into another bad beat story but I thought I would run this one past you just to see whether what I was doing made sense, and over the long run, if this would be correct play.

Blinds 200/400 (will be 300/600 in 2 minutes)
19 players remain out of 30
Avg Stack roughly 6400

Folds to me on the button
 
4400 chips
I limp 400

Reason for limp, SB is a complete wacko who is hitting miracle cards, and BB is short stack at around 1800 Was thinking if I raise, SB loves to gamble and will be in anyway, and BB will push all in regardless, I'd like to see a flop with KJ.

SB limps along

BB pushes all in around 1800

Need to call 1400 to win 2600

BB is one of the best players in this room and has obviously been unlucky before joining our table. Ax suited is deff in their shove range (they would slow play the big hands) in which case its almost 60/40....I stop and do the math and its fairly even money....but only heads up..SB has cleaned out 5 players at this table playing trash hands...given he has so much chips (>20k), a call by me would be an instacall from him and leave me in limbo on the flop. So I shove it all in. I know I am probably behind, but I'd rather gamble with the short stack.

SB now has to call 4000 to win 6600...what hands what you call with those odds in a 3 way pot?! (less than 2-1!)

Needless to say...he makes the inspired Q4o call



Dream flop...but two of us left the casino by the turn....

Short of folding KJ preflop (which i don't think was an option) do you think this could have panned out any other way? Was limp calling an option, then shoving the turn when I hit the jack the only way I could get the SB to fold, or do you think he's calling that anyway once he's made the initial call (don't really know how that affects the math?). I don't think a preflop raise would change anything...should I have just shoved PF? Back of my mind SB was never folding Q high...in these spots, do we just curl up into a ball and wait to be blinded out unless we find aces??

[GreekStein]

Dont limp the button. Smash it in plz.

[AndrewT]

Dont limp the button. Smash it in plz.

+1

You have 11 big blinds (to become 7BB in two minutes). Shove it in pre-flop.

[keilan303]

OK...only problem is I know SB is in already if I am all in...was there room for any "poker"...

[MANTIS01]

Limping and then calling an amount in excess of the raise you would have put in is just not good poker....unless you're trapping...and you're not trapping. Any mistakes and/or problems that happen after this just stem from that initial passive error. Let other people look at their hands and do the maths when you raise it up. If the sb is hitting miracles then let him have another go with a worse hand when you jack it up pre.

[LeKnave]

the sb will snap your shove with any2?

equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    60.569%     59.44%    01.13%       14961874836    283789440.00   { KJo }
Hand 1:    39.431%     38.30%    01.13%        9641415084    283789440.00   { random }

errrr, yes plz.  just because your not playing down the streets doesnt mean it isnt 'poker'.

[SnipeR]

forget other players range here and play "ur" cards...insta shove and hold on!!....this is well within your shoving range given ur position on table and stack....

[gatso]

Don't really want to turn this into another bad beat story but I thought I would run this one past you just to see whether what I was doing made sense, and over the long run, if this would be correct play.

Blinds 200/400 (will be 300/600 in 2 minutes)
19 players remain out of 30
Avg Stack roughly 6400

Folds to me on the button
 
4400 chips
I limp 400

not inrerested in the rest of the post. never, do this. just jam please

[MC]

Dont limp the button. Smash it in plz.

+1

If SB is a bad player, this gives him an opportunity to make a bad call.

[Royal Flush]

lol at everyone getting levelled.

[keilan303]

OK I think i got the message....

Just one of those games where I only had two hands with any picture cards (AK, crushed by 93s (same idiot) and this one) and the only pots I had won were all in PF blind steals...this just wasn't building me a big enough stack alone...watching the others at the table drop like flies to the maniac was really pushing my "just shove it all in blind next hand and pray" urges to the limit...tbh I think I should have just folded as I knew BB was shipping it all in....but it doesn't look like playing this tight will ever be commended!!

[kinboshi]

Tight would be folding.  It's the weak/passive play of limping that's the problem. 

If the 'maniac' is calling with ATC and you have a hand that's above average with a short-stack a shove is the only option, surely?

[gatso]

lol at everyone getting levelled.

flushy, if telling someone they played a hand like a mug=getting levelled then lol at you getting levelled on every thread you post on

[keilan303]

Tight would be folding.  It's the weak/passive play of limping that's the problem. 

I know what you mean...guess I should reserve the "limp shove" for real hands!

[Royal Flush]

lol at everyone getting levelled.

flushy, if telling someone they played a hand like a mug=getting levelled then lol at you getting levelled on every thread you post on

touche

I know what you mean...guess I should reserve the "limp shove" for real hands!

Reserve it for a different game all together, scrabble perhaps?