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« Reply #60 on: December 11, 2005, 11:40:51 AM »

The opening night is going to be one hell of an occasion.

Can't wait to see which jumper you'll be sporting  Wink
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« Reply #61 on: December 11, 2005, 12:09:05 PM »

On such an occasion, my best one of course
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« Reply #62 on: December 11, 2005, 01:24:56 PM »

I've been reading all about your endevers regarding the opining of the DASK TILT DAWN club,
I ca'nt wait till it opens.
As a wheelchair user, i'm feeling really relaxed, cos i know that even with everything you have on your mind, because of your family circumstances,you'll still manage to make sure you accomadate poeple with the stortcomings we posess.
My heartfelt wishes go to you to hope you overcome all the problems that are bound to dog your progress with this operation.
Lets hope you'll be able to get chubby to proclaim in his advertizing.

Britains premier poker club......Dusk tilt dawn
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« Reply #63 on: December 11, 2005, 04:21:17 PM »

I've been reading all about your endevers regarding the opining of the DASK TILT DAWN club,
I ca'nt wait till it opens.
As a wheelchair user, i'm feeling really relaxed, cos i know that even with everything you have on your mind, because of your family circumstances,you'll still manage to make sure you accomadate poeple with the stortcomings we posess.
My heartfelt wishes go to you to hope you overcome all the problems that are bound to dog your progress with this operation.
Lets hope you'll be able to get chubby to proclaim in his advertizing.

Britains premier poker club......Dusk tilt dawn

Eric, I was not aware that you were in a wheelchair but rest assured, full facilities will be provided for wheelchair users. How far do you live from the club? It may be possible to provide transport for you as well. We are planning to buy a limosine for the club and I am sure we can make that available for anybody who lives locally and uses a wheelchair.

Cheers Rob
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« Reply #64 on: December 11, 2005, 04:35:29 PM »

It is going to be a massive sucess - the planning and detail is better than I've seen with some major co's in the city - his customer service will be second to none and wil leave the casino card rooms reeling - can't wait!
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« Reply #65 on: December 11, 2005, 04:47:42 PM »

Well, now we have the name and the premises sorted the next stage is to tackle the Gaming Board, who I am taking round the premises on Tuesday at 12pm. I have sent the Inspector an email before the meeting so he is fully prepared for all of my questions. Speaking to him over the last few months, I think there is a good chance that some of the restrictions that casino's have to live with "may" be relaxed for my club..............anyway, there is no halm in asking is there? We've had lost of discussions about what is and what is not the law, so I am just going to ask all the stupid questions I can get away with. I have pasted the email just in case anyone gets really bored and needs somthing to read (hey - I had to write it).


We will also be working on our logo, I'll put the various options on the site for people to express their opinion. It was nice to sit with "dingdell" last night at Luton, she really seems genuinely enthusiatic about the prospect of a club dedicated to poker. So many people ask me what is going on everytime I go anywhere to do with poker, they are the genuine people that we want in the club.

Cheers Rob

Questions for Mike Wiseman and The Gaming Board

Before our meeting I thought I would email you some of my questions so would know what you are letting yourself in for. This will be the 1st poker club of any serious size in the UK that is set up legally, so there are no precedents for me to consult. I really need your help and advice on this as there are almost no similarities to how a Poker Club runs compared to a traditional Casino, although I appreciate that I must have a Casino licence to run the club. Although, I do not expect this club to turn a profit (running costs are £1.4m per annum), any help you can give me in not burdening the venture with unnecessary costs and restrictions would be greatly appreciated. I am committed to doing everything legally rather than doing what the other 30 poker clubs in the UK have done, but any latitude you can give me would be such a great help. Eventually, I expect there will be separate legislation for how a poker only club is run, but I am the guinea pig here! I apologise in advance of some of my questions are naïve.

1.   Definition of a Casino Employee
What are the criteria for a definition of a “Casino employee”, I need to employ people to work on the marketing online side of the business before the club opens, they need to have poker expertise, would they be considered casino employees and therefore be restricted? Also, I will be employing 35 people who work outside of the Card Room gaming area (on the bar, restaurant, cafe, administration etc), will they considered “Casino employees” even though they had nothing to do with the gaming?

2.   Employees of my Club playing Poker in other Casinos
I have a number of applications for jobs from poker players, mostly recreational. Legally, would they be able to play Poker in other UK casinos if they were an employee of the club?

3.   Employees of UK Casinos’ playing Poker in my Club
I have a number of emails and phone calls from employees of UK casinos asking me if they would be able to play Poker in the club. Would they be able to play in my club, would they be able to come into my Club and not play poker?

4.   Employees of my Club playing Poker in my Club
What is the legal situation here at they will not be playing against the house, it is just a game against each other.

5.   Me playing poker in my Club
We are bringing some televised events to the club, including a WPT (World Poker Tour) and EPT (European Poker Tour) event to the club. These are world ranking events and I would like to play them, would this be breaking any laws?
6.   Poker Seminars and Lessons
The game of poker is growing at an amazing rate in the UK but a lot of younger and less experienced players do not know how to play properly. We want to run “Poker Schools” for these novices in the Club, done by some of the top professionals in the UK and abroad. Again, will these people be considered “Casino Employees” and therefore be subject to restrictions on where they can play poker in the UK. You can see, there is a common problem here, opening a serious poker club requires in house poker expertise, but if I tell players they will be restricted from playing poker elsewhere, I will not be able to draw on their expertise and attract the customers into the club.

7.   Club Shareholders
A number of people have asked me if they can invest in the Club as shareholders. The total cost of setting up the club will be £1m refurbishment + working capital of £1m. Clearly, this may help me, but obviously they want to be able to play poker in the club, and still in other UK casinos, where do we stand legally on this

8.   General Manager
The GM of the club is called Darren Whiten. He is a General Manager of a retail business called Halfords, and has 50 staff working for him. This job is not relevant or of interest to a current “Casino” GM as we will not have any of the casino games taking place, just poker. What licence will you require him to have, if any. He will not be making any poker (ie. gaming) decisions, just running the banking, hospitality and staff side. 75% of the staff will be non-gaming staff.

9.   Card Room Managers
I will need to recruit 2 Card Room Managers, with experience of working in Casinos. They will be making the all of the gaming (ie. Poker) decisions on their shift. Will you require then to have further qualifications? i.e a Grey licence? Again, with no gaming tables, this seems excessive.

10.   If the Club does not get a Gaming Licence
If I am turned down for a Gaming Licence what can I charge in terms of an entrance fee or membership as just a Private Members Club? I am committed to doing this so I will have to look at other ways of generating revenue apart form a % of entry fees or an hourly rate charge. Poker players don’t really mind how they pay, even if it is for drinks and food but this will be less “transparent” and reflective of what they are paying for.

11.   Hours of Poker
Poker tournaments can sometimes overrun if people play slowly. What are my maximum gaming hours and what would happen if we went over. For example, if it as Sunday at 6am and a final was not finished, what would I do, I can’t ask them to come back on Monday as they may be at work.

12.   Entering Tournamants
Most of the players who enter tournaments will be from outside of the midlands and in fact the UK. They will want to email or call us and enter the tournament by wiring the money/sending a cheque/paying by credit or debit card. Ideally they will want to enter over the interent through our web site. They cannot just come over and “buy-in” beforehand as they are so far away. Also, we need to know our entries before the day of the tournament to know the amount of dealers needed (casinos do not have this problem as they can make mix/match their casino dealers on the day). What procedures will I be able to put in place legally for accepting entries?

13.   Holding Players money on deposit
Poker players will want to avoid bringing large sums of cash to the club for security reasons. Casinos can hold money on deposit for players to avoid this. How can we do this practically? Could members transfer money by wire or the internet and we hold it as deposit for them so that they could withdraw it when they got to the club? Some of the big buy-in poker tournaments will be £10,000 entry, we can’t hold that about of cash on site (eg. the WPT event will have 400 entries; we cannot and must not have £4m cash on the premises for obvious reasons – and we would never get insurance!). Casinos do not have this problem as they do not have the capacity to hold a WPT event (all WPT events are at least ten thousand entry fees).

14.   Sponsorship of Poker Players
To market the club properly across the UK, Europe, USA we will need to sponser poker players to enter events wearing out marketing materials (eg. Caps, t-shirts etc). Are there any restrictions on this?

15.   Advertising
I understand there are some restrictions on Casinos advertising to prevent addiction to gambling. We will not have any “house games”, what restrictions will the poker club have on advertising?

16.   Disclosures To The Gaming Commission
What reports/information will the Gaming Commission expect us to disclose them and over what periods. I will have to set up recording systems in advance to make sure we keep accurate information of anything the Gaming Board may need.

17.   Online Poker
We will be providing internet terminals in the casino. Poker players will use these for general internet use (browsing etc) as well as playing online poker. What are the laws on playing online poker on sites such as Pokerstars, William Hill, and Betfair in the club? In the future (maybe 3 years time), we may have our own online poker software, would there be any additional laws that come into place if we did this? Would people who worked for the online poker business be considered employees of the Poker Club (eg. software programmer) even though they worked for a separate Limited Company.

18.   Proving Demand to the Magistrate’s Court
We are setting up a web site so people can join the club in advance of it opening in 2006. They will input their name, address and contact details. Will this information be sufficient to be put forward as some evidence of “proof of demand” or will we require written signatures on a physical application form? This will be more practical as most poker players use the internet nowadays.

19.   Certificate of Consent
The club is Ltd Company called “From Dusk Tilt Dawn Ltd”. Who applies for the Certificate of Consent, me or the Ltd Company? Who will be interviewed by the Gaming Board before the certificate can be awarded – most of the Management will not have commenced employment, and are working for Casinos, I can’t really ask them to be interviewed for employer confidentiality reasons.

20.   Timescales & Decision Making
How long will it take from sending the application to your head office to gaining a Certificate of Consent and what are the steps between? What are the timescales from receiving the certificate of consent to getting a court date with the local magistrates and will the Gaming Board attend the hearing and make any recommendations to the court?







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« Reply #66 on: December 11, 2005, 04:48:54 PM »

It is going to be a massive sucess - the planning and detail is better than I've seen with some major co's in the city - his customer service will be second to none and wil leave the casino card rooms reeling - can't wait!

What a coincidence, I was just writing about you when you posted that!
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« Reply #67 on: December 11, 2005, 04:51:37 PM »

Rob, thx for the offer, but I live near London,And drive myself , so transport is no problem.
By the way, Ive only been useing a wheelchair on and off for four years. But contiually since Sept 2004,
I am desperatly trying to respond to physio, to get be back to using crutches. but i'm sure I'll be able to avail of help from any member of staff at the club.as required Smiley
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« Reply #68 on: December 11, 2005, 05:16:30 PM »

Wow a lot of thought went into that email, very impressive in itself.
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« Reply #69 on: December 11, 2005, 06:03:34 PM »

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ive got transport too but i really do fancy a hurl in a limo. are you charging for the limo or could i go to the local pub and give you a ring and the limo comes and collects me?.....this sounds greatttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt.........

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« Reply #70 on: December 11, 2005, 06:09:25 PM »

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ive got transport too but i really do fancy a hurl in a limo. are you charging for the limo or could i go to the local pub and give you a ring and the limo comes and collects me?.....this sounds greatttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt.........

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Yes, no problem. Any other jobs you need doing, maybe your back garden needs mowing?
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« Reply #71 on: December 11, 2005, 06:16:17 PM »

Rob

ive got transport too but i really do fancy a hurl in a limo. are you charging for the limo or could i go to the local pub and give you a ring and the limo comes and collects me?.....this sounds greatttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt.........

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Yes, no problem. Any other jobs you need doing, maybe your back garden needs mowing?

Mine does Rob, will expect you at midday tomorrow, £3 tip if you are on time and work fast!
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« Reply #72 on: December 11, 2005, 06:19:23 PM »

rob

my back lawn is neat but there are a few odd jobs i need doing like the lightshade thats been lying for 2 years, the cast iron fireplace thats still not in and my shower needs mending. theres no hurry but id prefer you sorted me out before royal flush...lmao

let me know when you got a spare couple of weeks and write a list

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« Reply #73 on: December 11, 2005, 08:23:39 PM »

I need someone to get the christmas tree out of the loft....?!

Seriously - that email will really have put them on the back foot - it's great - by asking them questions you actually lead them your way.....impressive and well done!  cant wait for the first card to be dealt!!

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« Reply #74 on: December 11, 2005, 08:34:01 PM »

I'm just glad I live close enough to play there EVERY night
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