"Dusk till Dawn" Poker Club In Nottingham Diary (by Rob Yong)

[The_nun]

So very frustrating for you Rob. So many ..smack's  in the face.. for trying to give the poker community what they want. Not sure what to say, well if i did say what i thought it would not be printable...x

[AdamM]

is there more we can do to prove demand? perhaps an online petition. perhaps we need to all turn up outside the court on the 26th with plackards.

[boldie]

is there more we can do to prove demand? perhaps an online petition. perhaps we need to all turn up outside the court on the 26th with plackards.

Good question, anything we can do as an addition to signing up that you think would help Rob?

[Zebediah]

Going back I though this place has the potential to be the best card room in the uk.
I would like to change that thought to it sounding like it will be the best card room in the world.

What are the house prices like in Nottingham?

[thediceman]

Rob, it must be so frustrating for you with the numerous obstacles that you have already had to deal with and this latest one must be the most frustrating of all as you are merely being held back by the whim of the corporate giants who are probably aware they have a weak case but just hope that their tactic of delaying DTD's opening and the subsequent financial implications will hurt DTD.

I'm intrigued as you state that there case is likely to centre around the demand issue. I know you don't plan to have any gaming tables but the fact is you have a license that would allow you to operate them if you wished. Based on that if the other casinos main objection is based on the demand argument is that not weakened by the fact they operate/plan to operate in the area with the same license. If there was a lack of demand why would they invest in similar operation in the area. Hopefully the magistrates won't pander to the weak objections and go for the easy operation of adjourning the case to allow the casinos to prepare a case. I'm sure your legal team will present a strong counter argument, you have the licenses from the appropriate organisations, the demand is there and your are operating a similar business to those of the objectors so what is the true value of their lack of demand argument. DTD already have around 3000 registrated members, how many members does the average casino have and of those members how many are regulars.

Sadly knowing the legal system they rarely consider the financial implications and normally go for the soft option of adjournment. Even if these objections really do warrent a future case do they really warrent the delay of the opening of DTD.  

I wish you the best of luck at court. Your only headache should be is DTD big enough for all the people that want to attend it's opening weekend.

[robyong]

is there more we can do to prove demand? perhaps an online petition. perhaps we need to all turn up outside the court on the 26th with plackards.

Good question, anything we can do as an addition to signing up that you think would help Rob?

There are only 3 ways people can help me:

1. By making sure that they and any other bona fide poker players join the club http://www.dtdpoker.com/join_club.aspx so that I can show as much demand as possible to the Magistrates court. After we are adjorned on April 26th, the period before the case is heard will need to b spent gathering as much data in support of Dusk Till Dawns's demand.

2. Secondly, it is common knowledge that I have been losing at least £75,000 per calender month for every month that I am delayed, and I was due to open last Summer, this is not including any re-fit costs. Any potential "Dusk Till Dawner's " who are online players and want to help me out with that by switching some of their play to www.dtdpoker.com (especially if they play on sites owned by my friends at the casinos) would be much appreciated! The poker world is a pretty selfish place unfortunatley, so I won't build this into my financial projections!!!!

3. Keep posting your positive comments on this thread, it really means a lot to me when so much of you take the time to show your support. I know a lot of you are not "professional" or "regular" poker players, but you have backed me so much where as some of the regular pros on the circuit (my "pals") are more interested in what % rakeback offer I can give them rather than trying to help me out. I'm really finding out who my friends are during this very tough period.

And yes TK, the club looks fab doesn't it?

Cheers Rob

[robyong]

Rob, it must be so frustrating for you with the numerous obstacles that you have already had to deal with and this latest one must be the most frustrating of all as you are merely being held back by the whim of the corporate giants who are probably aware they have a weak case but just hope that their tactic of delaying DTD's opening and the subsequent financial implications will hurt DTD.

I'm intrigued as you state that there case is likely to centre around the demand issue. I know you don't plan to have any gaming tables but the fact is you have a license that would allow you to operate them if you wished. Based on that if the other casinos main objection is based on the demand argument is that not weakened by the fact they operate/plan to operate in the area with the same license. If there was a lack of demand why would they invest in similar operation in the area. Hopefully the magistrates won't pander to the weak objections and go for the easy operation of adjourning the case to allow the casinos to prepare a case. I'm sure your legal team will present a strong counter argument, you have the licenses from the appropriate organisations, the demand is there and your are operating a similar business to those of the objectors so what is the true value of their lack of demand argument. DTD already have around 3000 registrated members, how many members does the average casino have and of those members how many are regulars.

Sadly knowing the legal system they rarely consider the financial implications and normally go for the soft option of adjournment. Even if these objections really do warrent a future case do they really warrent the delay of the opening of DTD.  

I wish you the best of luck at court. Your only headache should be is DTD big enough for all the people that want to attend it's opening weekend.

Diceman (I have read that book by the way),

I'm afraid that I am 99.9% sure the case will be adourned due to the 3 objectors, apparently to give them time to prepare more detailed objections..........so sick I know, I'm sure I will never be able to have children based on the amount of kicks I've had in the bollxcks over the last 2 years, its been a torrid time, what started out as a hobby has become burden, but as Elton John says, "I'm still standing" and I can cheer myself up by going down to the club and seeing the "blue light" that Nick spend £8,000 on ! lol I just remembered, he has ordered 2 of them.............damn

[booder]

Keep the Faith Rob.

[kinboshi]

Very annoying and pathetic actions from the casinos opposing you. But we're all behind you Rob and I'm sure all your efforts and hard work will pay off.

If it is adjourned, how long will/could that delay things for?

[divaflava]

I'm really looking forward to the club's opening night. Whenever it is, I'm sure I'll be one of many amazed that I get to play poker at such a great venue from then on.

[Woodsey]

There is probably a social consideration to your argument aswell Rob. I think many of us regular profitable poker players have done some of that money on the casino games, I for one look forward to being able to play in an environment that is exclusively poker, and I know there are others who will benefit more considerably from not having that temptation.

PS can you ask mikka et al to let us fish have an exclusive 5/10 cash table to ourselves, I'd be happy to donate more rake for your cause but they keep cleaning me out!

[shinchan]

Kepp plugging away Rob and hang in there.

The club looks fabulous and MUST open, not just 'cos it will be great, but also 'cos it will now symbolise a victory for the 'little man' against the giant casinos who so selfishly seek to block it.

[tikay]

is there more we can do to prove demand? perhaps an online petition. perhaps we need to all turn up outside the court on the 26th with plackards.

Good question, anything we can do as an addition to signing up that you think would help Rob?

There are only 3 ways people can help me:

1. By making sure that they and any other bona fide poker players join the club http://www.dtdpoker.com/join_club.aspx so that I can show as much demand as possible to the Magistrates court. After we are adjorned on April 26th, the period before the case is heard will need to b spent gathering as much data in support of Dusk Till Dawns's demand.

2. Secondly, it is common knowledge that I have been losing at least £75,000 per calender month for every month that I am delayed, and I was due to open last Summer, this is not including any re-fit costs. Any potential "Dusk Till Dawner's " who are online players and want to help me out with that by switching some of their play to www.dtdpoker.com (especially if they play on sites owned by my friends at the casinos) would be much appreciated! The poker world is a pretty selfish place unfortunatley, so I won't build this into my financial projections!!!!

3. Keep posting your positive comments on this thread, it really means a lot to me when so much of you take the time to show your support. I know a lot of you are not "professional" or "regular" poker players, but you have backed me so much where as some of the regular pros on the circuit (my "pals") are more interested in what % rakeback offer I can give them rather than trying to help me out. I'm really finding out who my friends are during this very tough period.

And yes TK, the club looks fab doesn't it?

Cheers Rob

Just a bit!

And that Blue Light feature! Must have cost £2k if it cost a penny.......

[DTD-Nick.W]

That light's cost the earth, well £4k for the plaster trough and onother £4k for the LED's
Its expensive getting the right look TK

[turny]

you are all doing a grand job.

roll on opening

keep your chin up rob nearly there