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« on: January 30, 2009, 10:54:34 AM »
Down to last 4 from 26 man MTT

As ever I'm in the small stakes level here - £2.50 buy in  Smiley
Top 5 paid - don't ask! 45% 25% 15% 10% 5%
Blinds are 2,000/4,000

UTG (12000) calls - he's prone to stuff like this with connected cards or better and hasn't adjusted to the situation
BTN (c7000) folds
SB - me (12200)  - call -  I've been shoving and taking it down with better (and worse), but I sense that patience is wearing thin from the BB. he'll check behind if I make up
BB (c21000) checks as anticipated

flop  two spades

Shove?
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2009, 11:45:59 AM »
Shove it in pre, once you haven't definitely shove it in now,you'll almsot certainly be shoving from the button next hand too.
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2009, 12:48:18 PM »
with a 4k bb and only 12k in chips, you should never be limping.

Are those stacks correct? CL has only 21k at 2k/4k?
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2009, 12:53:54 PM »
26 players 2000 chips to start, the stacks look right. Looks like it's been a bit of a nitfest for a $2.50 tourney.
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2009, 01:01:42 PM »
Yes shove now
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2009, 08:34:11 PM »
As played, shove now. Normally, shove pre.
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2009, 09:36:02 PM »
Quote from: sharplea on January 30, 2009, 08:34:11 PM
As played, shove now. Normally, shove pre.

^^Agree...

Don't want to give a free card away here and could get called by a worse hand...plus lots of chips in the pot to take down...
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2009, 05:08:24 AM »
I thing fold pre > shove pre with tht guy limping.
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2009, 10:06:27 PM »
Quote from: LeKnave on January 31, 2009, 05:08:24 AM
I thing fold pre > shove pre with tht guy limping.

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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2009, 03:01:33 PM »
I shoved

BB folded, limper....  would you call with  .......... you're just covered....
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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2009, 03:25:42 PM »
Quote from: david3103 on February 01, 2009, 03:01:33 PM
I shoved

BB folded, limper....  would you call with  .......... you're just covered....



Yep i would call 97s, likely to have double figures in outs.
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2009, 05:05:11 PM »
  is a snap call here. assuming he's called then you both took the worst option pre and the right option post
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2009, 09:01:20 PM »
If I shove here what am I aiming to achieve?

Two folds and win 6,000 chips I guess?

But I've already got one caller who may have limped in with any of the many hands that are not only better than 10J, but he's likely to call me with some of those that he would fold if he had no investment in the pot.

I was confident that the BB would check his option. He'll still be doing that when he's only got 1.5 BBs left.

I accept, because better players than I have already said it, that shoving is optimal, but...and pardon my coninuing ignorance, isn't that only the optimal play if your opponents understand what you're doing?
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