Walsall Midlands Masters FINAL DAY Live Update

[AlrightJack]

Ironside, I see it more of a redistrbution of the prize money than a deal. The ranking points are only for the top nine places and the places that benefit from the saver are all outside this.

[Ironside]

Personally I would say no it does not affect it. There have been many many deals like that this year and in no cases has it affected the points.  In no way does it affect the competitiveness.  Its more of a saver. If anyone in authority decides it means minimum points, it will have to apply to all those previous tournaments and will devalue and make a mockery of the whole ranking system. I will fight the corner if it comes to it.

i know most events have savers like this

but it effect the finishing spots as people are more likely to gamble to aquire chips if there is a saver in place which means that the bigger stacks cant steal as much and the shorter stacks are more likely to double up
any saver effects the way the event finishes but i think it would be wrong to freeze the points

[Ironside]

when i asked about this earlier in year any savers done before the final table do not effect ranking points
if saver/deal is done on final table points are frozen

[sixpac]

Personally I would say no it does not affect it. There have been many many deals like that this year and in no cases has it affected the points.  In no way does it affect the competitiveness.  Its more of a saver. If anyone in authority decides it means minimum points, it will have to apply to all those previous tournaments and will devalue and make a mockery of the whole ranking system. I will fight the corner if it comes to it.

Personnally I think it definately affects the outcome of any tournament, short stacks are far more willing to gamble if they know they will get their money back or more.

The situation with deals and savers is almost impossible to police, I think they allot the points to who has the most chips, etc, ect.

 >:?

[Djinn]

It's pretty much ground to a halt here, with no stacks so short their all-in moves are imminent. 

As far as showdowns, there's been a Barny vs. Dave Clark one, on a  Ah board.  It had all quietly been checked, and then Barny bet out 20k from the big blind on the river.  Dave eventually called with  , but Barny had been sitting on  and congratulated him for having checked it twice previously...  That puts Dave on one of the shorter stacks, but at 80,000 he's not desperate.  The blinds are 4,000 - 8,000, however, with a rise to 5,000 - 10,000 in ten minutes.

[AlrightJack]

what is clear is that for next year the ranking rules need to more clearly define what kind of deal affects the points and what does not. The essence of the rankings is about continued competitiveness right to the end. This certainly makes no difference at all from the point at which they get down to the last nine.

[hotdog]

how many chips has mickey wernick got/= d grovesnor

[snoopy1239]

wats the blinds

4/8k

3 minutes left.

[Ironside]

JR where about on blue[] is the betting market for the portsmouth job?

[hotdog]

cmon snoops chip counts on m wernick an d grovesnor plz

[Djinn]

Hi hotdog - Mickey Wernick - 150k, D. Grosvenor - 95k (he just had a raise nicked with a big blind all in from quiet chip gatherer Steve Wilsdon (pictured here).

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[snoopy1239]

Micky Wernick has about 160k.

[Ironside]

how are the valets doing are all the drinks order correct?

and can we get some pics?

[snoopy1239]

Few hands being played out at the moment.

Did catch 1 though.

Flop comes .

Boatman bets 10k, Wilsdon flat calls.

Turn =

Both check.

River =

Boatman bets 15k. Wilsdon condsiders his options, then mucks.

No cards shown.

[Karabiner]

Top man Steve Wilsdon, and well capable of winning this.