This shouldnt be allowed FACT!!

[tikay]

It was pretty sickening to hear all the ""these bloody people come here, la de da" sort of comments at the Table, while the Lithuanian Dealer just sat there, Dealing, but taking it all in. Ugh.

Do you find this as equally offensive Tony?



I certainly do.

Yes, I certainly do, it's dreadful. I don't recall suggesting otherwise, either.

The debate was that Protests should not be allowed. Whether we like them or not, they are.

Because I can see both sides of a debate, that does not mean I agree with both, one, or neither. But you are never going to solve a problem, or coherently argue & debate, unless you can see both sides. Note "see", not "agree with".

[tikay]

Again here is some more freedom of speech this time by the Australian prime minister:

'Immigrants not Australians must learn to adapt take it or leave it. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'.

'We speak mainly English, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is our country, our land, and our lifestyle, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'
'If you aren't happy here then leave. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

Good speech imo!

OMG!

It really scares me that folks fall for this sort of (hoax) nonsense so easily.

There's none so blind.......

[sledge13]

Dont believe all you read....

[I KNOW IT]

It was pretty sickening to hear all the ""these bloody people come here, la de da" sort of comments at the Table, while the Lithuanian Dealer just sat there, Dealing, but taking it all in. Ugh.

Do you find this as equally offensive Tony?



I certainly do.

Yes, I certainly do, it's dreadful. I don't recall suggesting otherwise, either.

The debate was that Protests should not be allowed. Whether we like them or not, they are.

Because I can see both sides of a debate, that does not mean I agree with both, one, or neither. But you are never going to solve a problem, or coherently argue & debate, unless you can see both sides. Note "see", not "agree with".

I also dont remember you suggesting otherwise or where I may have implied you did.
Of cause you have to "see" both sides but not agree with them. I also see both sides
By asking your opinion  on something (placard) I was merely asking that,
apologies for any confusion which may have occured

However by displaying placards stating " ANGLIAN SOLDIERS GO TO HELL" is being far more provocative than exercising the right to freedom of speech/ peaceful protest imo

[nirvana]

It was pretty sickening to hear all the ""these bloody people come here, la de da" sort of comments at the Table, while the Lithuanian Dealer just sat there, Dealing, but taking it all in. Ugh.

Do you find this as equally offensive Tony?



I certainly do.

Can't even spell Anglican properly - send 'em 'ome

[cia260895]

It was pretty sickening to hear all the ""these bloody people come here, la de da" sort of comments at the Table, while the Lithuanian Dealer just sat there, Dealing, but taking it all in. Ugh.

Do you find this as equally offensive Tony?



I certainly do.

Can't even spell Anglican properly - send 'em 'ome

eh?

[nirvana]

[ ] Surprised Sledge posted.

How's your Polish tenants BTW?

Polish tennants are great! hes put a new fence up! but I did'nt see any Polish with vile messages in Luton? the Polish/Chinese etc have integrated into society very well, but there always seems to be the "minority" of Muslims bent on causing attacks and trouble.

Yep sadly I agree.

This is the kind of comment that makes this debate so ridiculous. What minority of muslims are we talking about ? The 21 or 22 protestors, the one with the go to hell placard. The ones you don't like in your street because they don't integrate into our society ?

I don't think the Polish and Chinese have integrated very well at all. I haven't seen gangs of Polish chavs terrorising whole estates, making already miserable lives even more miserable. On the whole the polish people I've met don't run round town centres on Saturday nights turning areas into drunken no-go zones unless you want to take your shirt off, flash your tits, vomit everywhere and have a good scrap. This seems to be the preserve of mainly white, English people who are 'getting on it'.

I don't see many Polish people sitting around sucking up all the possible benefits available without any intention of ever doing a fair days work for a fair days pay.

I think they have a long way to go to integrate properly into our 'society' imo

[nirvana]

I wish people just had the gumption to openly declare themselves prejudiced towards certain religions, races or colours - at least it's a position with some integrity

[sledge13]

[ ] Surprised Sledge posted.

How's your Polish tenants BTW?

Polish tennants are great! hes put a new fence up! but I did'nt see any Polish with vile messages in Luton? the Polish/Chinese etc have integrated into society very well, but there always seems to be the "minority" of Muslims bent on causing attacks and trouble.

Yep sadly I agree.

This is the kind of comment that makes this debate so ridiculous. What minority of muslims are we talking about ? The 21 or 22 protestors, the one with the go to hell placard. The ones you don't like in your street because they don't integrate into our society ?

I don't think the Polish and Chinese have integrated very well at all. I haven't seen gangs of Polish chavs terrorising whole estates, making already miserable lives even more miserable. On the whole the polish people I've met don't run round town centres on Saturday nights turning areas into drunken no-go zones unless you want to take your shirt off, flash your tits, vomit everywhere and have a good scrap. This seems to be the preserve of mainly white, English people who are 'getting on it'.

I don't see many Polish people sitting around sucking up all the possible benefits available without any intention of ever doing a fair days work for a fair days pay.

I think they have a long way to go to integrate properly into our 'society' imo

This is a sarcastic "racist" comment in itself.

[maldini32]

I wish people just had the gumption to openly declare themselves prejudiced towards certain religions, races or colours - at least it's a position with some integrity

This man talks sense.

[Newmanseye]

I wish people just had the gumption to openly declare themselves prejudiced towards certain religions, races or colours - at least it's a position with some integrity

This man talks sense.

some people do tbh, quite a few people on this forum have often stated their dislike for the Scots on several occasions, its accepted and we move on.

[Indestructable]

I had to laugh at the guy put in prison for 3 years for throwing a shoe at George Bush and yet these protesters rights in Luton are protected by the Police. 

[Maxriddles]

Firstly I'd like to make clear I found the protest distasteful, I respect the job our armed service do and I thank them for doing it. I don't always agree with the politics behind some campaigns but the guys who serve in the forces deserve much better than they got yesterday. That said I am glad that I live in a country where it is safe to express views which are not shared by the majority, and where there is the freedom to openly speak out against the policies of the government of the day.

Now to another argument as to why it should be allowed which no one seems to have considered. I would argue that this sort of protest is useful to the security services. This small group have made their views known to the nation, they may or may not be genuine hardliners, they may or may not be a real threat to our nation's security, they may or may not move in circles where they encounter people who are a threat. Considering the may or may nots that I've just mentioned I'd be a bit surprised if the security services didn't at least check them out now.

[ ] Threads with FACT in the title usually pass off without incident

[GlasgowBandit]

Now to another argument as to why it should be allowed which no one seems to have considered. I would argue that this sort of protest is useful to the security services. This small group have made their views known to the nation, they may or may not be genuine hardliners, they may or may not be a real threat to our nation's security, they may or may not move in circles where they encounter people who are a threat. Considering the may or may nots that I've just mentioned I'd be a bit surprised if the security services didn't at least check them out now.

[ ] They needed this protest to ringfence/identify the movers and shakers

The cops, MI5/MI6, special branch etc etc have people deep in these organisations, similar to the way they do in Ireland with Republican and Loyalist organisations and the way they do on the mainland with hard left socialist and right wing extremists.  They give them so much rope, and god forbid they actually facilitate killings, operations etc to keep their operatives water tight.

The shooting of the 2 soldiers othernight and the cop for example anyone here believe that the RIRA/CIRA were capable of carrying out this attack?

[ ] Coincidence that SAS were re-deployed to Ireland last week. 

[Hairydude]

So it was Britain(in the form of MI5/6/ Special branch etc etc) who shot their own soldiers and police constable in Northern Ireland?? to get it sparked again??