Big Slick £300. In the money 2 chip leaders collide

[thetank]

How often are we gonna stack him post flop with AQo and 100 bigs. The times we do flop a pair, we are still probably going to pansy fold flop/turn.

All this 3-bet fold piss makes me a little sick. He's gonna trump us with junk half the fookin time, there's likely a reason why he's chip leader, whether LAGshrewd or LAGtarded he's not needing much to push us off here.

Fold pre and be done. no edge here despite pretty cards

[daviebhoy]

If you are going to 3-bet to fold better do it with K4s or some hand with little value. AQ is probably good but OOP I think we want to keep the pot small. Passing is too tight if we have any intentions of winning the thing imo.

[George2Loose]

Sunar won a WPT

I flat here- bit nitty but from what I can see if we 3 bet and he 4 bets it's a horrible spot. If he flats your three bet your playing a much bigger pot OOP

but if you flat call and it comes 9high what do you do then??? you don't have a clue where you stand,

You play a flop? If we 3 bet and he raises pre it doesn't necessarily tell us anything either. What if you 3 bet and he flats and it comes 9 high? I'd prefer to keep the pot small OOP

 you need to raise it pre flop to see if he has a hand  he could easy have 96 here and is making a play and if you raise to 40k he will give it up most hands

if you raise and he calls then check the flob if you miss if you hit put a small bet in and hope he re raises you

So:

1) This guy will never 4 bet bluff with the stack sizes the way they are?

2) He will never flat with an inferior hand?

3) Your always gonna give up on the flop unless you "hit"?

4) If he 4 bets you pre do you ever get it in?

I think that a lot of people talk about playing poker but in all seriousness they're playing their 2 cards. I'm happy to play a flop here as deep as we are

Agree with Tank somewhat that we're not gonna pick up too many chips in this spot but I think fold is even too nitty for me

[thetank]

I'm not playing tight, I'm just not playing AQ

All pocket pairs, big slick, suited connectors (medium and low ones), maybe some suited one gappers I'll play this spot with. They all add up to a decent % of the time.

Just coz we're so deep is all, usually I see an ace and a queen and a hand is in the air.
It's a special situation coz we can't avoid getting spanked post flop. We're both just so fooking deep.

[mike saban]

One thing which hasn't been mentioned yet, is how chipped up is the BB, if you just flat is he likely to squeeze ?

[daviebhoy]

I'm playing AJ here. A lot of the time we are in very good shape against his Ax or Kx and this makes up for those times he has AK. This is another reason for trying to keep the pot small. Those hands are unlikely to be able to call a check/raise even with an Ace flops. If the check/raise gets called we can probably give up on the hand unless flop is something like AQQ etc.

[GreekStein]

One thing which hasn't been mentioned yet, is how chipped up is the BB, if you just flat is he likely to squeeze ?

bb has played quite tight. In the middle of the pack with 80k or so. Not really a concern. prob just trying to final table

[MC]

Anything wrong with a flat call here?

[maldini32]

is that his standard open 3.5x?

[AlexMartin]

i call, mainly coz i want to disguise my hand against a pretty abcish TAG. I think 3b is fine and against him u can fold to a 4b smash (even though this is horrible he wont ever exploit it i dont think). my experience of him was of a tootight smallball type player, who rarely gets out of line and is fairly mappable, good against bad players).

Folding really is too weak imo, we have 100bb, AQ and a probable skill advantage. Its not like we can only win the pot when we actually flop something......

[Nem]

lol at teh folders.

[LeKnave]

lol at teh folders.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Flatting is good.

[Horneris]

peel peel peel peel peel

[MANTIS01]

We're a bit worried about playing this hand cos villain has chips/is a bit aggro and we're in no rush to jeapordise our good position. If we haven't 3-bet the guy before now it looks like it's a good time to start imo. Because look, WE have chips, WE are a bit aggro and HE shouldn't be in a rush to jeapordise his good position either. If we are considering just folding a hand like A-Q pre because of these factors then a 3-bet puts villain under even more immense pressure to just release his inferior hand. If he wants to call more money into the pot with his worse hand then he is making a mistake. First round to us. Then we go to a flop he prob wont hit with the initiative and all those pressures working for us rather than against us.