top 2 facing 3bet

[dousche]

havnt been playing long, no real history to speak of


Dealt to dousche [ ]
d0dd087 posts the small blind of $2
gadab posts the big blind of $4
Smoothie1 folds.
jmg180 calls $4.
dinodini folds.
dousche calls $4.
d0dd087 calls $2.
gadab checks.
Dealing Flop [ ]
d0dd087 bets $16.
gadab folds.
jmg180 folds.
dousche raises to $48.
d0dd087 raises to $140.

dousche???

[pokerfan]

If your deep pass

[dousche]

oops, effective stacks ~400

[MC]

oops, effective stacks ~400

This deep, I guess you have to pass. You can't flat call, and if you raise you're only more chips if you're crushed (I guess an uber draw like KJss might still get it in, but obv that has lots of equity against you anyway)

Did you over-limp the button? I'd raise pre if I'm reading that right.

[dousche]

oops, effective stacks ~400

This deep, I guess you have to pass. You can't flat call, and if you raise you're only more chips if you're crushed (I guess an uber draw like KJss might still get it in, but obv that has lots of equity against you anyway)

Did you over-limp the button? I'd raise pre if I'm reading that right.

yeah i did, i mix it up between limping and raising

[Dubai]

Lol its not a good idea to raise the flop if u dont know what u are gonna do if he 3 bets

[Royal Flush]

Lol its not a good idea to raise the flop if u dont know what u are gonna do if he 3 bets

Thank god.

[gatso]

Lol its not a good idea to raise the flop if u dont know what u are gonna do if he 3 bets

Thank god.

booo. I read op last night and thought I'd wait and see what new way flushy could find to say this but dubai stepped in and took away the chance

[RichardL]

limping is ok.

raise for value on flop, then fold when he 3 bets

easy

wp imo

[AlexMartin]

limping is not gr8, iso that monkey.

raise folding is horrible imo.

standard fispump allin. only 100bb deep with the effective nuts on a super wet board.

[RichardL]

limping is not gr8, iso that monkey.

raise folding is horrible imo.

standard fispump allin. only 100bb deep with the effective nuts on a super wet board.

limped pot you think he is 3 betting anything other than a str8 here? seems very very unlikely to me

Raise/folding you win the maximum when you are ahead, and make all draws pay, thus often winning a big pot. When beat its pretty obvious, as he doesnt 3 bet a worse 2 pair on this board in a LIMPED pot.

You should stack off super super tight for 100bb in a limped pot, otherwise its just spew.

All this is ofcourse providing the guy who 3 bet isnt a fish who has no idea.

Agree raising pre is better, limping isnt a mistake though really, esp is blinds are aggro

[Royal Flush]

limping is not gr8, iso that monkey.

raise folding is horrible imo.

standard fispump allin. only 100bb deep with the effective nuts on a super wet board.

limped pot you think he is 3 betting anything other than a str8 here? seems very very unlikely to me

Raise/folding you win the maximum when you are ahead, and make all draws pay, thus often winning a big pot. When beat its pretty obvious, as he doesnt 3 bet a worse 2 pair on this board in a LIMPED pot.

You should stack off super super tight for 100bb in a limped pot, otherwise its just spew.

All this is ofcourse providing the guy who 3 bet isnt a fish who has no idea.

Agree raising pre is better, limping isnt a mistake though really, esp is blinds are aggro

This is great as long as he never 3bets a draw

[MC]

oops, effective stacks ~400

Oops, I thought you meant 400bbs deep by this, I guess that was kinda stupid as when are you ever 400bbs deep.

100bbs deep, I lean more towards Alex's thinking. Because now when you shove, you do get it in against a lot more draws than just uberdraws.

[AlexMartin]

limping is not gr8, iso that monkey.

raise folding is horrible imo.

standard fispump allin. only 100bb deep with the effective nuts on a super wet board.

limped pot you think he is 3 betting anything other than a str8 here? seems very very unlikely to me

Raise/folding you win the maximum when you are ahead, and make all draws pay, thus often winning a big pot. When beat its pretty obvious, as he doesnt 3 bet a worse 2 pair on this board in a LIMPED pot.

You should stack off super super tight for 100bb in a limped pot, otherwise its just spew.

All this is ofcourse providing the guy who 3 bet isnt a fish who has no idea.

Agree raising pre is better, limping isnt a mistake though really, esp is blinds are aggro

raising is best, utg limper is probably bad, if there are aggro blinds its not like they are not gonna raise if we limp..... we take control of the hand, WE HAVE THE BUTTON and we win this pot so often by cbetting that we instantly turn a profit. Limping really is a big leak here imo (unless ep limper is nittag/tightfish who limp re-raises a lot ofc).

All that stuff about "not going broke in a limped pot", should stack off v tight etcetc. Each to their own and im enjoying this debate but its abs bollocks imo. If anything ppl do MORE funky shit in limped pots at midstakes because there is more levelling going on.

 think this this range is reasonable.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

 111,870  games     0.031 secs     3,608,709  games/sec

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    55.262%     53.93%    01.33%             60329         1493.00   { JdTc }
Hand 1:    44.738%     43.40%    01.33%             48555         1493.00   { 88+, AsKs, AhQh, AsQs, AsJs, As8s, Ac7c, As7s, As6s, As5s, KJs+, Ks8s, Ks7s, Q9s+, Js8s, T8s+, AJo, KJo+, Q9o+, T8o+ }


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i didnt allow any air (which is always a non-zero number) and think this is reasonable. raise/folding is fine, but on a board this wet there are sooooo many combos that you are crushing/flipping versus, that folding to a b3/3b is absolutely tez. And if ur not happy getting the money in here, you need a damn good reason (like villain is a supernit and never takes this line with draws).

[doubleup]

[quote { 88+, AsKs, AhQh, AsQs, AsJs, As8s, Ac7c, As7s, As6s, As5s, KJs+, Ks8s, Ks7s, Q9s+, Js8s, T8s+, AJo, KJo+, Q9o+, T8o+ }

some of these are really silly alex.  imo villain has str8 or big draw.  I don't think folding vs an unknown is a big mistake.