Am i supposed to open shove here???

[Amatay]

UTG with AJo in a $55 comp.

Folding seems to weak, raise folding is shit and obv raise, c bet fold sucks so do i just blast here? Not 100% sure??

Full Tilt Poker Game #14128088290: $10,000 Guarantee (103900795), Table 22 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 6:44:28 ET - 2009/08/19
Seat 1: el-buitre75 (7,337)
Seat 2: rowie343 (16,305)
Seat 3: fmak18 (8,132)
Seat 4: amatay (6,625)
Seat 5: subrat (4,689)
Seat 6: Fish is Fish 75 (9,874)
Seat 7: DANKASSMID (10,093)
Seat 8: newcastle420 (8,369)
el-buitre75 antes 50
rowie343 antes 50
fmak18 antes 50
amatay antes 50
subrat antes 50
Fish is Fish 75 antes 50
DANKASSMID antes 50
newcastle420 antes 50
rowie343 posts the small blind of 200
fmak18 posts the big blind of 400
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to amatay [Ah ]

[Longy]

Open shoving is fine with antes in play, not sure whether making it about 1100 is better.

[maldini32]

Id be open shoving here m8, If your gonna raise you gotta snap off a shove.

[George2Loose]

utg I fold

[gatso]

shoving 16bb utg with AJo looks somewhat spewy to me

[Longy]

shoving 16bb utg with AJo looks somewhat spewy to me

There is 1000 in there so we have effectively about 10bbs, get it in.

[maldini32]

Yeah with antes id get it in, without fold.

[Dubai]

All the mtts regs shove but i think its horrid.

[Sack it off]

It's a shove for me.

I dunno much about like Gigabets theory. And skill edge n stuff. But I think if you take those into account it will be a +EV shove

[Simon Galloway]

All the mtts regs shove but i think its horrid.

I don't really want to shove it... but I do shove it.

How would you play it?

[MC]

I think 2.5x is better here mate. Folding is okay. I don't really like shoving.

[Gamblor21]

All the mtts regs shove but i think its horrid.

I don't really want to shove it... but I do shove it.

How would you play it?

Min-raise, or open limp... I think it could be back!

I don't like the shove but your prob best for flushy leknave etc to comment on whether it is a shove.

I make it 1000 or potentially fold, depending on table dynamics.

[Simon Galloway]

OK, for 2.5x are people making any adjustment for the antes before working out what 2.5x is?  1000 without antes is 2.5x - the effect of the antes of course means that an open to 1000 is no longer "going to get the same job done" as people are going to be more prepared to fight over the ante-inflated pot.

So for now, if we make it 1k to open (15% of our chips) what are we doing if we a) get raised, and b) called and missed the flop?

I used to think I was deep enough to open-fold this pre, now having played a lot more r.a. tournys I have learned how quickly those antes start to bite. 

[George2Loose]

What do we do with 22-55 here? Shove too?

[Longy]

Obviously this takes into account only folding and shoving as options. This is the WORST case scenario I could get messing with the ranges,the wider or even tighter the better the shove becomes, this is an unexploitable shove. I have used the cEV model which is pretty reasonable in MTT push/fold situations.

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