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« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2009, 11:17:56 PM » |
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All the mtt regs that everyone thinks is good shove small pairs here. Which I again think is awful
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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2009, 11:24:41 PM » |
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OK, for 2.5x are people making any adjustment for the antes before working out what 2.5x is? 1000 without antes is 2.5x - the effect of the antes of course means that an open to 1000 is no longer "going to get the same job done" as people are going to be more prepared to fight over the ante-inflated pot.
So for now, if we make it 1k to open (15% of our chips) what are we doing if we a) get raised, and b) called and missed the flop?
I used to think I was deep enough to open-fold this pre, now having played a lot more r.a. tournys I have learned how quickly those antes start to bite.
I still make it 1000 with antes, I think it gets the job done. Most people will protect from the blind with a similar range even if you up the raise and if you get 3 bet then the decision is still the same no matter what you initially raised. I continuation bet most uncoordinated boards. |
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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2009, 11:32:49 PM » |
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depends what u expect to call ya if aj shove utg is a shove. tight image prob fold rather shove shit in position and if u have a loose image u can shove for value and expect to get called by worse.
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« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2009, 01:09:43 AM » |
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All the mtt regs that everyone thinks is good shove small pairs here. Which I again think is awful
How do u play it mate? fwiw in the tourn i open folded but on reflection i think i should have just smashed it in. I always find these spots tough tbh and its pretty close. where do u draw the line. do we smash 55-88?? in this spot A10? KQ? |
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« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2009, 01:50:12 AM » |
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Raise fold is my standard line in these kinda spots.
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« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2009, 01:50:57 AM » |
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Longy could you use the "simulate future hands" feature?
This would take into account the fact your utg and about to take a big hit to your stack next hand.
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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2009, 01:55:02 AM » |
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2.5x to stop them snapping you with 66-99. obv b/c.
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« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2009, 02:16:22 AM » |
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Obviously this takes into account only folding and shoving as options. This is the WORST case scenario I could get messing with the ranges,the wider or even tighter the better the shove becomes, this is an unexploitable shove. I have used the cEV model which is pretty reasonable in MTT push/fold situations. | Click to see full-size image. |
 kinda meaningless though as we're not playing a game where jam or fold are our only options |
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« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2009, 11:48:52 AM » |
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Obviously this takes into account only folding and shoving as options. This is the WORST case scenario I could get messing with the ranges,the wider or even tighter the better the shove becomes, this is an unexploitable shove. I have used the cEV model which is pretty reasonable in MTT push/fold situations. | Click to see full-size image. |
kinda meaningless though as we're not playing a game where jam or fold are our only options It proves folding is way worse than shoving, which is what about was suggested on the 1st page. As I said in the very first reply it is simply a case of whether opening to 1000-1100 is better. Longy could you use the "simulate future hands" feature?
This would take into account the fact your utg and about to take a big hit to your stack next hand.
It won't simulate future games with this many people still left in, the hit to your stack generally means you should shove a little wider than sngwiz suggest. |
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« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2009, 12:58:16 PM » |
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im a nit so i fold lol
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« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2009, 03:41:38 PM » |
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Bit of a mixed bag. I still don't know wtf is optimally in these spots tbh
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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2009, 08:10:37 PM » |
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Bit of a mixed bag. I still don't know wtf is optimally in these spots tbh
got to shove this |
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« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2009, 09:09:39 PM » |
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Fold please.
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« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2009, 10:34:42 PM » |
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Bit of a mixed bag. I still don't know wtf is optimally in these spots tbh
got to shove this ye this cos sometimes ppl flat and cos its hard to play after the flop (obv dubai + flushy play better post flop than me) id rather jam now and take the edge. I dont particularly like raise folding cos its east for people to take advantage of (if you have a rep of raise folding off stacks like this. Obv if ppl think your never raise folding, then raise folding is ok but ppl make notes). Also a raise fold of this stack means your stack goes from being reasonable for rejamming to getting close to not being able to. I think 22-66 is probably an open fold here |
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« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2009, 11:47:10 PM » |
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Bit of a mixed bag. I still don't know wtf is optimally in these spots tbh
got to shove this ye this cos sometimes ppl flat and cos its hard to play after the flop (obv dubai + flushy play better post flop than me) id rather jam now and take the edge. I dont particularly like raise folding cos its east for people to take advantage of (if you have a rep of raise folding off stacks like this. Obv if ppl think your never raise folding, then raise folding is ok but ppl make notes). Also a raise fold of this stack means your stack goes from being reasonable for rejamming to getting close to not being able to. I think 22-66 is probably an open fold here Middy you'd 5 bet shove this stack with A9 suited utg at 10/20  |
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