NFL 09-10 Thread.

[bobby1]

Talking of bad play calls Rich, on 3rd and three on their own 20 odd yard line with 30 secs to go and 2 timeouts San Fran threw a near 30 yard pass which failed, they then had to punt and left Seattle over 20 seconds with 2 timeouts from just inside their own half.

So from an actual 2nd and three with 40 secs left they still managed to throw 2 failed passes and give the back which surely is the only thing you do not want to do in a tied game with uinder a minute left.

[TightEnd]

Yup, with hindsight run the ball, play the clock out and go into OT

There was a horrific call by Kubiak in the HOU/JAX game earlier too. 2nd and 10 in the red zone in the second half, 14 points or so down, HOU ran the thing up the gut for a yard, missed the long 3rd down and eventually lost the game by 5. Season over. 

[TightEnd]

and there is nothing more infuriating than watching your team that misses four tackles on a punt return. Sigh.

Or your team when it fumbles in a key spot. Sigh.

[thetank]

Get in there Broncos, way to get back on track with a statement.

I actually think we've got a chance now next week in Indianapolis. They'll be going to try and beat New Englands record of 21 consecutive regular season victories, we'll be trying to get back in contention for the division, and fk it, why not the #2 seed too.

[bobby1]

Yup, with hindsight run the ball, play the clock out and go into OT

There was a horrific call by Kubiak in the HOU/JAX game earlier too. 2nd and 10 in the red zone in the second half, 14 points or so down, HOU ran the thing up the gut for a yard, missed the long 3rd down and eventually lost the game by 5. Season over. 

The first down has to be the most important thing there too, run it and take a timeout and then take some shots but dont take the shois and leave the time on the backside where you have to punt, if you run on 2nd down and do this too you almost take away the risk of having to punt it and as you say if you dont make it the time runs out and you get to play overtime.

[TightEnd]

lol

Saints are blessed

Meachem's first-half touchdown was just a big, but much more unorthodox.

The sequence started when the Saints punted from their own 30. Thomas Morstead shanked the kick so badly that it hit Washington's totally helpless Kevin Barnes flush on the back near the sideline. New Orleans recovered at the Redskins 41.

Four plays later, facing third-and-26 at the Redskins 44, Brees backpedalled under pressure and threw a desperation pass deep over the middle toward Jeremy Shockey in triple coverage. Kareem Moore dived over Shockey's back to make an interception, rolled over, got up and ran 14 yards before Meachem simply took the ball away from an upright Moore and started running down the sideline - high-stepping 44 yards for the team's ninth return touchdown of the season, tying the game at 17 and changing the momentum with 22 seconds left in the first half.

[TightEnd]

and get this Washington miss a 23 yard FG and then Brees takes NO 80 yards in 33 seconds with no timeouts to take it into OT

[Longy]

lol

Saints are blessed

Meachem's first-half touchdown was just a big, but much more unorthodox.

The sequence started when the Saints punted from their own 30. Thomas Morstead shanked the kick so badly that it hit Washington's totally helpless Kevin Barnes flush on the back near the sideline. New Orleans recovered at the Redskins 41.

Four plays later, facing third-and-26 at the Redskins 44, Brees backpedalled under pressure and threw a desperation pass deep over the middle toward Jeremy Shockey in triple coverage. Kareem Moore dived over Shockey's back to make an interception, rolled over, got up and ran 14 yards before Meachem simply took the ball away from an upright Moore and started running down the sideline - high-stepping 44 yards for the team's ninth return touchdown of the season, tying the game at 17 and changing the momentum with 22 seconds left in the first half.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d814beadd/Week-13-Can-t-Miss-Play-Jaw-Dropper

[bobby1]

lol

Saints are blessed

Meachem's first-half touchdown was just a big, but much more unorthodox.

The sequence started when the Saints punted from their own 30. Thomas Morstead shanked the kick so badly that it hit Washington's totally helpless Kevin Barnes flush on the back near the sideline. New Orleans recovered at the Redskins 41.

Four plays later, facing third-and-26 at the Redskins 44, Brees backpedalled under pressure and threw a desperation pass deep over the middle toward Jeremy Shockey in triple coverage. Kareem Moore dived over Shockey's back to make an interception, rolled over, got up and ran 14 yards before Meachem simply took the ball away from an upright Moore and started running down the sideline - high-stepping 44 yards for the team's ninth return touchdown of the season, tying the game at 17 and changing the momentum with 22 seconds left in the first half.

I watched that game today Rich, it was just about the biggest fluke I have seen all season. I'm in LV at the mo and the one thing that struck me was the amount of punters that had simply backed the favs giving up points in the sportsbook I was in.The standard bet for the guys I spoke to was fav to cover and over the points.

[Royal Flush]

You forget to mention the most ridic booth review in OT as well, saint run goooood

[TightEnd]

Its just like the UK bus drivers in the football, no looking for value.

Of course you are going to get the blow outs like DEN/KC today but when you look at Washington playing the Saints hard and Oakland beating Pittsburgh, I don't often want to be taking favourites with big points spreads (say a touchdwon or over on the spread) against them in this league.

[bobby1]

Its just like the UK bus drivers in the football, no looking for value.

Of course you are going to get the blow outs like DEN/KC today but when you look at Washington playing the Saints hard and Oakland beating Pittsburgh, I don't often want to be taking favourites with big points spreads (say a touchdwon or over on the spread) against them in this league.

It was a tight one wasnt it James.

The sheer panic when Tennessee recovered the onside kick when almost everyone in the place was on Indy was funny, all of a sudden there was an almost cert winner turning bad. Getting more than a td in most games gives you so many ways to cover coz even 14 down is only a score back and 14 point leads arent that easy to get are they.

[gatso]

tighty, you are no doubt the expert on this. all the talk of a possible london franchise has me wondering- where do new franchises get their first lot of players from and how does the draft work in that first year?

[TightEnd]

Taking the Houston Texans as an example


Each NFL team has to nominate 3 players from its current roster as "available for selection" in the year an expansion franchise starts.  teams might use this to dump salary cap, or high priced veterans for example

The expansion franchsie then cherry picks the core of its franchise from this list

the expanison franchise then gets the first overall pick in the next draft, and the first pick in each round, plus a second pick in each round

In this way the expansion franchise would generally pick up the key positions. QB, Left tackle etc where ideally a new team wants to get a 10 year plus starter

then you have your 53 players and away you go

For the Texans they made two key mistakes

Firstly in all their selections they never sorted out the OL, and have suffered from this ever since

Secondly the 1st pick in the draft their year was QB David Carr. Partly because he spent the first two years looking at the sky while flat out on his backside having been sacked, this was a disastrous pick

In another year the 1st pick might have been say Carson Palmer, Phillip Rivers, Eli Manning etc of recent QBs..a durable franchise QB

So after about three years Texans dumped Carr, changed coaches and began to restock. They brought in Schaub at QB and because they were stilld rafting early each year got a load of talent in, mostly on the defense. Mario Williams, Ryan, Robnson, Cushing etc etc. This made sense because they had to stop Peyton Manning and they though Vince Young twice a year each

This now makes them competitive, but still 7-8 years on not a play off team, almost entirely because of mistakes at launch on offense.
 

[TightEnd]

A london franchise is no doubt on its way on a five year view, but because the NFL will not want an overseas expansion to be a complete dog far more likely that they will relocate one of the worst supported teams

eg Jacksonville Jaguars, who never sell out and are in a town famous only for having I95 running through it

eg Buffalo Bills where the owners want out

eg St Louis Rams with unstable ownership


By then also, becase the league would like to be back in LA, and maybe a Vegas team (big growing area of population, and potential owners queueing up there) ..the league could be up to 36 teams anyway