The GUKPT Champion of Champions Event thread

[Longy]

Did anyone else find it amusing that the response to Luton being a dump that next years would be in Coventry, not known for being a dump in the slightest.

[the sicilian]

Did anyone else find it amusing that the response to Luton being a dump that next years would be in Coventry, not known for being a dump in the slightest.

Being sent there is punishment enough...

[Woody_Deck]

tbf i think id rather play asif hu in luton for my net worth than attend the jinglebellball

What is the jinglebellball?

I would most certainly appreciate an answer to my OP.  This is obviously escalating and nobody involved is happy.  I can't send PM's on here for some reason, I don't wish to say more than I already have on a public forum.


Cheers,

Woody

[TightEnd]

You need 10 posts to be able to send PMs Woody.

[AlrightJack]

Woody,

I have answered the majority of the points raised already with my previous answers so I will not address everything in your original two posts. I will now address the remainder of your unanswered questions and the comments you made which were not specifically questions. I will post one response per post as for some reason my browser does not let me post too much in one post without creating scrolling problems in the text entry window.

Firstly, you misinterpreted something I had said earlier in the thread and alleged that

"I am rather shocked at what happened today, and further shocked that you think that because most of the no shows are foreigners, that it is acceptable to redistribute their equity without cause or representation."

In no way did I make this inference. I simply stated how many no shows there were and clarified that many of them would have been players who were overseas or lived outside the UK. I did not in any way say of infer that 'because they are forgeigners it was OK to do this.'

I consider this allegation of yours to be totaly without substance and quite offensive.

[AlrightJack]

Comapring this situation to the WPT cancelling their series of $500,000 freerolls is way off the mark. We have not dodged paying out the money we promised to, as the WPT did.

[AlrightJack]

With regard to the rest of the questions Woody raised, I feel these have been answered already in previous replies I have made on this thread.

[George2Loose]

iv'e got to say that Rank Gaming are putting the money up as a freeroll, so they can do whatever they want with it and pay who they like. If you are not there why should they then have to go to the trouble of forwarding you the money at a expense of time and money?

i think they just should not of bothered putting the chips in play if players where not present at the start.

But well done to Grosvenor for putting up the 100k in the first place who else in the uk market have done anything close to this in the last 10 years for the masses rather than the select few who they deem tv worthy?

WRONG.

Just because something is free doesn't mean they can change it at will. This freeroll is an added bonus related to the purchase of GUKPT tournament entries earlier in the year. If a shop were to offer a free video camera with every widescreen tv bought, then that video camera turned out to be broken, they couldn't very well say "well fuck you it's free", since if you knew that it was broken then maybe you wouldn't have bought the TV. If a company offers a 'free' bonus, then the customer's rights are the same with regard to the bonus as the main item. It was on The Real Hustle or something like that on BBC3 the other week.

Personally I think whilst Mr Raab and the staff at Grosvenor + BlueSq do a great job with all the festivals, the added value is not there in the way I'd prefer it to be, so unfortunately I'll probably be stepping down my involvement in the tour next year. Leaderboards and the CofC freeroll favour high volume players and karl mahrenholz too much imo, I'd prefer the first series philosophy of just adding £10k to each main event. This would also go some way to solving the declining attendances at events like Cardiff + Newcastle imo.

Finally, gogogogo Chris Brammer today.

lol

[Woody_Deck]

Woody,

I have answered the majority of the points raised already with my previous answers so I will not address everything in your original two posts. I will now address the remainder of your unanswered questions and the comments you made which were not specifically questions. I will post one response per post as for some reason my browser does not let me post too much in one post without creating scrolling problems in the text entry window.

Firstly, you misinterpreted something I had said earlier in the thread and alleged that

"I am rather shocked at what happened today, and further shocked that you think that because most of the no shows are foreigners, that it is acceptable to redistribute their equity without cause or representation."

In no way did I make this inference. I simply stated how many no shows there were and clarified that many of them would have been players who were overseas or lived outside the UK. I did not in any way say of infer that 'because they are forgeigners it was OK to do this.'

I consider this allegation of yours to be totaly without substance and quite offensive.

.

[nirvana]

tbf i think id rather play asif hu in luton for my net worth than attend the jinglebellball

What is the jinglebellball?

I would most certainly appreciate an answer to my OP.  This is obviously escalating and nobody involved is happy.  I can't send PM's on here for some reason, I don't wish to say more than I already have on a public forum.


Cheers,

Woody

Fail

[AlrightJack]

This tournament and the others we run are run in accordance with Grosvenor Casinos rules and additional rules set out for the GUKPT.

The rules on payouts for this competition were not set out specifically, so nothing was actually changed as such, it was clarified (wrongly or rightly) on the day before play started. I have already said that with hindsight we would have made this clearer and will indeed do so for the future. If someone is considering taking legal action, then it would not be prudent for me to answer any further questions on the matter. That will be dealt with by our lawyers if and when such a legal action takes place.

[Woody_Deck]

This tournament and the others we run are run in accordance with Grosvenor Casinos rules and additional rules set out for the GUKPT.

The rules on payouts for this competition were not set out specifically, so nothing was actually changed as such, it was clarified (wrongly or rightly) on the day before play started. I have already said that with hindsight we would have made this clearer and will indeed do so for the future. If someone is considering taking legal action, then it would not be prudent for me to answer any further questions on the matter. That will be dealt with by our lawyers if and when such a legal action takes place.

I understand, cheers.  No need to debate further on public forum, I know you are a good guy.  It is not my intention to embarrass, or ride you in any way, it is simply a matter of justice for me. I hope you understand.  I know you don't come up to me or post on blonde when I play poorly (which has been the case recently) to let me know I have made a mistake so I am cognizant of this fact.

[Woody_Deck]

tbf i think id rather play asif hu in luton for my net worth than attend the jinglebellball

What is the jinglebellball?

I would most certainly appreciate an answer to my OP.  This is obviously escalating and nobody involved is happy.  I can't send PM's on here for some reason, I don't wish to say more than I already have on a public forum.


Cheers,

Woody

Fail

Given the tone of posts, appears I succeeded for what I can here.   At least I don't have to feed the "epic fail" troll.  :-)

[nirvana]

tbf i think id rather play asif hu in luton for my net worth than attend the jinglebellball

What is the jinglebellball?

I would most certainly appreciate an answer to my OP.  This is obviously escalating and nobody involved is happy.  I can't send PM's on here for some reason, I don't wish to say more than I already have on a public forum.


Cheers,

Woody

Fail

Given the tone of posts, appears I succeeded for what I can here.   At least I don't have to feed the "epic fail" troll.  :-)

Tell you something, I've never met you but I know you're very talented and you come across well, arguing your point without histrionics and any rudeness, respect sir

[Woody_Deck]

tbf i think id rather play asif hu in luton for my net worth than attend the jinglebellball

What is the jinglebellball?

I would most certainly appreciate an answer to my OP.  This is obviously escalating and nobody involved is happy.  I can't send PM's on here for some reason, I don't wish to say more than I already have on a public forum.


Cheers,

Woody

Fail

Given the tone of posts, appears I succeeded for what I can here.   At least I don't have to feed the "epic fail" troll.  :-)

Tell you something, I've never met you but I know you're very talented and you come across well, arguing your point without histrionics and any rudeness, respect sir

Thanks.  I am a huge supporter of the GUKPT and think Jonathon Raab has done a great job with it, there are many negative directions the casinos are taking these days, he is someone who is on our side.  I know how backwards UK casino managers can be, and while he is at the top of the poker world here, to his minders, poker is just a small but steadily profitable side of their business.
 
I don't wish to extend further negativity on the subject in a public forum lest it get picked up by press anyway without our PR pressure.  I live here, I play Grosvenor, and anything negative happening to Jon is -EV for me, so in deference and respect to him I have removed any posts containing logic.  Thankfully nobody quoted me.  I am sure there will be a meeting to discuss this further and a resolution, but blonde is not the place.