two kings in the dee tee dee three hundred

[StuartHopkin]

If we fire the turn we then have to carry on the bluff and fire the river hoping he'll lay down a weak ace.

He's not calling without an ace but if he's good he might just check raise us on the river putting us in a world of pain.

We've got position in a small pot in the early stages. No need to let this get out of hand.

He calls turn with more than just a naked ace imo. diamonds, pair and draw etc.

This is whats in my head, your part bluffing, part valuing.
Plus if we get called here I dont think we have to fire the river just for the sake of it.

Oh and Gatso your an idiot, you know full well thats not what I meant, and your shit and you smell.............



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[gatso]

Oh and Gatso your an idiot, you know full well thats not what I meant, and your shit and you smell.............



of poo

while I normally just start on you needlessly and for no reason, on this one occassion I actually don't know what you meant

why can't we win the pot if we check?

[StuartHopkin]

Oh and Gatso your an idiot, you know full well thats not what I meant, and your shit and you smell.............



of poo

while I normally just start on you needlessly and for no reason, on this one occassion I actually don't know what you meant

why can't we win the pot if we check?

basically because its the turn
if we check we dont win
there is another card called the river
who knows what might happen then
especially if its a twelfty

[LuckyLloyd]

If we fire the turn we then have to carry on the bluff and fire the river hoping he'll lay down a weak ace.

He's not calling without an ace but if he's good he might just check raise us on the river putting us in a world of pain.

We've got position in a small pot in the early stages. No need to let this get out of hand.

I certainly agree with the general sentiments of this post, betting the turn would be bad.

I'd take issue with that sentence though. You never HAVE to do anything. If you decided to bluff the turn here and were called, the very worst thing you could do is then auto bet every river card out of some misguided sense of obligation. One mistake should not beget another, you should always reserve the right to reassess after every street / action.

[kinboshi]

If we fire the turn we then have to carry on the bluff and fire the river hoping he'll lay down a weak ace.

He's not calling without an ace but if he's good he might just check raise us on the river putting us in a world of pain.

We've got position in a small pot in the early stages. No need to let this get out of hand.

I certainly agree with the general sentiments of this post, betting the turn would be bad.

I'd take issue with that sentence though. You never HAVE to do anything. If you decided to bluff the turn here and were called, the very worst thing you could do is then auto bet every river card out of some misguided sense of obligation. One mistake should not beget another, you should always reserve the right to reassess after every street / action.

Welcome back Lloyd, missed your posts on the PHA board.

[Royal Flush]

Are people levelling on here or something?

We are at the 25-50 level and you all want to start turning Kings into a multi street bluff, wtf!

Just get to showdown plz

[Horneris]

Act like your going to bet but then at the last possible second check instead and study his reaction.

[gatso]

Are people levelling on here or something?

We are at the 25-50 level and you all want to start turning Kings into a multi street bluff, wtf!

Just get to showdown plz

what thread are you reading? only 2 people have suggested a bet, hardly a levelling conspiracy

[piestack]

i would betfold turn
no reason yet to think you're behind and would want one more street of value from qx and draws.
imo you lose less than when you are behind by betfolding now rather than checking turn to call a river bet which as someone else already said is a guessing game with no reads

[EvilPie]

i would betfold turn
no reason yet to think you're behind and would want one more street of value from qx and draws.
imo you lose less than when you are behind by betfolding now rather than checking turn to call a river bet which as someone else already said is a guessing game with no reads

And what happens when you bet the turn and get raised?

Aren't you playing a guessing game there with no reads? How often is the guy bluffing?

By betting the turn you could end up folding the best hand.

This is a hand where you definitely want to get to showdown.

[StuartHopkin]

i would betfold turn
no reason yet to think you're behind and would want one more street of value from qx and draws.
imo you lose less than when you are behind by betfolding now rather than checking turn to call a river bet which as someone else already said is a guessing game with no reads

And what happens when you bet the turn and get raised?

Aren't you playing a guessing game there with no reads? How often is the guy bluffing?

By betting the turn you could end up folding the best hand.

This is a hand where you definitely want to get to showdown.

Im still not here with this thought process. I dont disagree as such just prefer the bet.

If we get raised we fold, we have shown strength pre, on the flop and now on the turn even though an ace has appeared.
For this reason I doubt the guy is bluffing a lot in this spot, but if he does then yes we could fold the best hand.

This is a hand where you definitely want to get to showdown.

Why?
If were losing now we are almost definately losing at showdown, so can only win by turning our hand into a bluff. Plus you all seem intent on snapping him off on the river so its not losing us anymore.

If we are winning now then we want to try and get some more money in.

Im obv happy to get ripped here, but I really dont think its a clear check it down.

I am open to being converted though

[Longy]

Stu think what hands actually fold that we are beating, I can't think of any pretty much.

Then conversly think about the hands that would check call our turn bet, how many of them do we get value from, how many of them do we get check raised by (alot of big draws are very likely to check raise here imo)

This really is no brainer check if you think about villians range.

[BulldozerD]

we can improve as we now have a gutshot to go with our pair, Charles did you have the King of diamonds in your hand?

[Cf]

we can improve as we now have a gutshot to go with our pair, Charles did you have the King of diamonds in your hand?

nope, one was black and one was green

[EvilPie]

Put yourself in oppo's shoes Stu.

Do you call a turn bet if you have A2? I'd guess so unless it's a stupid bet.

Do you call with one of the decent draws that's out there? Possibly. Or do you perhaps raise it to TID now? Another possibility.

If you've got the draw and don't hit you're going to rep the A anyway because that's your only chance of winning.

Either of these possibilities leads to us laying down the best hand or paying off with the worst hand.

Because we've spoken about laying down KK here to any big betting from oppo we need to stay as cheap as possible. If we've got some reads then the hand can play very differently when we look to value towning second pair or bet to induce bluff on river or w/e. At this stage we just don't know.

Keep it cheap, find out what oppo has got and note it and rock up your own image ready for later. Show people that you don't bet A high boards unless you've got it and use that to nick a few pots later when it really matters.