Deep OOP preflop spot from UKIPT

[Dubai]

30 responses to say one word

Call.

[NigDawG]

Results:

I called and checked all 3 streets to him when the board ran out

he bet 65k on the river and I folded and felt like a girl

[Dubai]

Id lead the turn with the intention of overbetting the river.

[Dubai]

Id bet 70k on the turn and then 350k on the majority of rivers.

[Dubai]

I said majority.

Best rivers are obviously   2,3,5,7,9,J,Q

Of the pairing rivers- T>8>6>4

I do actually bet 350k on an ace river, dont really want to post too much about this but just call it a merge. As for K rivers not sure what Id do, sometimes id bet 350k, sometimes 150k, sometimes check. makes it slightly more interesting as its easier for us to have spade combos than him, given his check behind on the flop indicates the majority of time he has a hand with showdown value and there arent that many spade combos in showdown hands, assuming he bets air on flop of course.

[GreekStein]

I said majority.

Best rivers are obviously   2,3,5,7,9,J,Q

Of the pairing rivers- T>8>6>4

I do actually bet 350k on an ace river, dont really want to post too much about this but just call it a merge. As for K rivers not sure what Id do, sometimes id bet 350k, sometimes 150k, sometimes check. makes it slightly more interesting as its easier for us to have spade combos than him, given his check behind on the flop indicates the majority of time he has a hand with showdown value and there arent that many spade combos in showdown hands, assuming he bets air on flop of course.

How come you're quite clever Dave?

[Cottonbud]

I said majority.

Best rivers are obviously   2,3,5,7,9,J,Q

Of the pairing rivers- T>8>6>4

I do actually bet 350k on an ace river, dont really want to post too much about this but just call it a merge. As for K rivers not sure what Id do, sometimes id bet 350k, sometimes 150k, sometimes check. makes it slightly more interesting as its easier for us to have spade combos than him, given his check behind on the flop indicates the majority of time he has a hand with showdown value and there arent that many spade combos in showdown hands, assuming he bets air on flop of course.

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[Cottonbud]

Just call ffs. You kids are all scared to play flops, 4bet/call, 4bet/fold, its not real poker like back in the day. No but seriously I'd call.

And James that "4bet to look committed" line is so donkish it's untrue. Why would you want to indicate the real strength of your hand? And then why would you want to over-rep that when you're not actually bluffing? It makes no sense.

Yeah forget that idea I thought exactly the same after I wrote it! 

[titaniumbean]

Just call ffs. You kids are all scared to play flops, 4bet/call, 4bet/fold, its not real poker like back in the day. No but seriously I'd call.

And James that "4bet to look committed" line is so donkish it's untrue. Why would you want to indicate the real strength of your hand? And then why would you want to over-rep that when you're not actually bluffing? It makes no sense.

Yeah forget that idea I thought exactly the same after I wrote it! 

Too much time on other forums

[Cottonbud]

Just call ffs. You kids are all scared to play flops, 4bet/call, 4bet/fold, its not real poker like back in the day. No but seriously I'd call.

And James that "4bet to look committed" line is so donkish it's untrue. Why would you want to indicate the real strength of your hand? And then why would you want to over-rep that when you're not actually bluffing? It makes no sense.

Yeah forget that idea I thought exactly the same after I wrote it! 

Too much time on other forums

LOOOOOOOOL!

[maldini32]

I said majority.

Best rivers are obviously   2,3,5,7,9,J,Q

Of the pairing rivers- T>8>6>4

I do actually bet 350k on an ace river, dont really want to post too much about this but just call it a merge. As for K rivers not sure what Id do, sometimes id bet 350k, sometimes 150k, sometimes check. makes it slightly more interesting as its easier for us to have spade combos than him, given his check behind on the flop indicates the majority of time he has a hand with showdown value and there arent that many spade combos in showdown hands, assuming he bets air on flop of course.

Your good, I actually learn shit reading your posts.

[AlexMartin]

CALL. we have a hand villain will barrel off on when we hit. With a plan to crai on some boards when we miss also. Have faith in ur postflop ability.

[NigDawG]

I said majority.

Best rivers are obviously   2,3,5,7,9,J,Q

Of the pairing rivers- T>8>6>4

I do actually bet 350k on an ace river, dont really want to post too much about this but just call it a merge. As for K rivers not sure what Id do, sometimes id bet 350k, sometimes 150k, sometimes check. makes it slightly more interesting as its easier for us to have spade combos than him, given his check behind on the flop indicates the majority of time he has a hand with showdown value and there arent that many spade combos in showdown hands, assuming he bets air on flop of course.

I have to admit I just don't get this play. I hate it on A and Q, I guess it's good on the unpaired cards and the T and 4 maybe, and I'm not sure about the K. Obv if you bet turn you have to bet river when you miss, and this size is gonna get through most often, but on the Q I'd be value betting so I'd want to bet an amount that is gonna get called by his 1-pair hands and on the A I'd bet-fold quite a small amount (in before "that's so exploitable lol", being exploitable is fine in live donkaments imo). On the pairing cards, I think you get the same number of folds with a much smaller bet. On the K, I just don't know. Thinking about it properly, this might be the only card where you need to bet so much and you could get away with less on the unpairing cards. BTW is this a Dean Lyall-specific play?

Also, it's a very minor detail, but why do we have more spade combos than villain?

i'm guessing its a balancing of the value bets being the same as the bluffs, altho we are overbetting to get a fold the majority of the time so we'll still get a fold despite we are betting our A or Q for value :/

i can understand betting the river but i think an offsuit King is probably the worst card in the deck to be barreling?

how'd you play it post flop mr key?

[NigDawG]

I said majority.

Best rivers are obviously   2,3,5,7,9,J,Q

Of the pairing rivers- T>8>6>4

I do actually bet 350k on an ace river, dont really want to post too much about this but just call it a merge. As for K rivers not sure what Id do, sometimes id bet 350k, sometimes 150k, sometimes check. makes it slightly more interesting as its easier for us to have spade combos than him, given his check behind on the flop indicates the majority of time he has a hand with showdown value and there arent that many spade combos in showdown hands, assuming he bets air on flop of course.

I have to admit I just don't get this play. I hate it on A and Q, I guess it's good on the unpaired cards and the T and 4 maybe, and I'm not sure about the K. Obv if you bet turn you have to bet river when you miss, and this size is gonna get through most often, but on the Q I'd be value betting so I'd want to bet an amount that is gonna get called by his 1-pair hands and on the A I'd bet-fold quite a small amount (in before "that's so exploitable lol", being exploitable is fine in live donkaments imo). On the pairing cards, I think you get the same number of folds with a much smaller bet. On the K, I just don't know. Thinking about it properly, this might be the only card where you need to bet so much and you could get away with less on the unpairing cards. BTW is this a Dean Lyall-specific play?

Also, it's a very minor detail, but why do we have more spade combos than villain?

i'm guessing its a balancing of the value bets being the same as the bluffs, altho we are overbetting to get a fold the majority of the time so we'll still get a fold despite we are betting our A or Q for value :/

i can understand betting the river but i think an offsuit King is probably the worst card in the deck to be barreling?

how'd you play it post flop mr key?

I'm sorry, were you talking to me?

well i was trying to answer your question about dubai at first but then i gave my own thoughts on the King rivers and then i asked you how you would play it post flop. do you dislike being called mr key lol? were you as disappointed as i was that norman chad made no jokes about your surname?

[George2Loose]

Mr Keys