Truth of the Lie - Madeleine McCann Banned Book

[nirvana]

Im not stupid enough to believe everything I read or see on the television.

I think you're selling yourself short there mate.

VWP

[chrisbruce]

I think the whole line of this thread is disgusting.

I feel sorry for those people in the "they did it" camp

Of course they look guilty, I am sure they spend every second of every day regretting that they left there children unattended.

No doubt Stu you would have fared well in the Salem witch hunts.

[StuartHopkin]

Another sigh.

I've never been afraid of speaking my mind, and I'm not sure why wanting to discuss a book I read, albeit on a touchy subject would be classed as disgusting.

I also stated my thoughts and the reasons I was interested in the book in the first place. If those thoughts make you feel sorry for me then thats fine with me, but I cant really understand why. I always follow my gut feelings about people and in general the way I choose who to trust, interact with and deal with works out very well for me.

Ive not said they did anything, but was interested in peoples interpretations of them.

Mmm Salem witch hunts, another interesting comparison.

[StuartHopkin]

Hopefully Michelle will post her thoughts on here when she has read it.

[Woodsey]

Stu your stuffed before you even start with these types of highly emotive subjects, you are always going to get very strong opinions and generally speaking moreso from those who have their own kids.

I knew this thread would go down this route, hence the reason for not posting any more of my opinions.........

[kinboshi]

Thread worth it for this:

Im not stupid enough to believe everything I read or see on the television.

I think you're selling yourself short there mate.

[StuartHopkin]

Stu your stuffed before you even start with these types of highly emotive subjects, you are always going to get very strong opinions and generally speaking moreso from those who have their own kids.

I knew this thread would go down this route, hence the reason for not posting any more of my opinions.........

Im not worried about it Andy, just a shame we are on page 5 and there has only been one post of any interest to me.

After reading about the following I was intrigued and wanted to discuss in an open minded manner;

The writer
The dogs used to search the apartment
The parties accounts of that night
The statements about David Payne
The equipment that can apparently locate a body from a strand of hair (WTF!?!?)
The claim that if they were in the UK they would have been arrested on a lot less evidence than the Portugese police had.

Im not an expert on any of those things, and was looking forward to learning and discussing.
Obviously a few people arent impressed with the topic, or they way I have put it across and thats fair enough.

[ripple11]

I just watched the documentary this Policeman did, on the same website.....I presume it covers the same "facts" as his book.

He tries to build a case against the Mccann's....but fails IMHO. There's no evidence.....one or two statements don't match up, a bit of half matched DNA.....,he's just making up a story that will sell a book/documentary etc.

I had to laugh when he points out that when Gerry was shown on the news, carrying one of the twins off the plane.......he was carring the child in the same way as the mystery man was seen carrying Maddie in the street!!

Maybe some of their "seems not quite right" post behaviour is down to the guilt of leaving the children alone.

[Matt.NFFC.]

Look, folks, if you find this subject far too sensitive for you liking then AVOID it, don't read it, don't post on it......

It reminds of the ridiculous TV complaints bullshit thing, where people report something that they find offensive or whatever!!!  Just don't bloody watch it FFS.

I just hope that one day Maddie will turn up and be able to tell her story and put this whole thing to bed, it's not knowing the facts that causes the controversy and I'm afraid the only people who know the facts are the parents and, sadly, we ain't gonna know what they are!

[sovietsong]

I would have £1 at 20,000,000/1 that cos did it.   

[HOLDorFOLD]

Hopefully Michelle will post her thoughts on here when she has read it.

Yep. I'll be posting my thoughts on the book when I get the chance to read it ... could be a while as really busy with work at  he moment.

Wanting the link to the book interested me because it was a 'case' that interested me.   Unlike other disappearances where there has been no 'forensic evidence of violence' - for example Susie Lamplugh, with this case there was evidence ... the blood splatters in the apartment.   Now, this could have been due Maddie having an accident of some sort, whilst her parents were out.  It also may have been the result of something more sinister.  Who really knows .... that's the reason I wanted to have a read of this book whilst 'keeping an open mind' on this case.

As for my own thoughts on it , all I can go on is a gut feeling that something just didn't sit right at the time, and more with the dad than the mum.  I have nothing to base this on, just from what I saw on the television.   Now, again this may be based on guilt feelings eminating from the parents whose 'crime' per se was leaving under aged children unattended for long periods of time.


@Chrisbruce  ... I fail to see where the whole line of the thread is disgusting though.  The OP was not written in an abusive manor nor in a manor set out to deliberately cause controversy. It was a post set out to discuss a book about an event that captured many many peoples interest and intrigue. The content of course is not going to be pleasant because what happened to Maddie (if we ever find out) was not pleasant ... but it happened.  

Putting my thoughts out there, I think the only disgusting post on this thread is the one made by you Chris because it was a personal flaming about a poster who quite clearly was posting about discussion on the content of a book.

In a bit of a rush while typing this as the blonde league game has started.

[George2Loose]

Leave Stu alone. He's not the first or last person and deep down everyone has perhaps considered the fact they did even before this book was "published"

[vegaslover]

Whilst I have not read the book it must be said that the arguments that the (a) parents killed her or (b) dumped the body to cover up neglect are both ridiculous.

(a)
1 - The parents hardly appear to be Fred and Rose West
2 - If this is the case and the detective has sufficient evidence to write the book how come the parents have not been charged.

(b)
1 - In the event of accidental death, surely a better option would have been to say nothing until morning and then claim it must have happened while you were sleeping.
2 - surely having your daughter supposedly kidnapped and presumed murdered whilst you have dinner is just as bad as her accidentally dying whilst you were having dinner.

As for the claim that "there was a credible witness who saw Gerry McCann carrying the body away after the reported her missing." hhmm I think you might hide the body before reporting her missing.

Im sure people who met the lovely Fred & Rose all thought 'Shit me, murderin mofo's ldo'

I dont think you would be thinking to well if you found your daughter dead after leaving her alone one night. I think covering up your negligence might pop into your head.

It only takes one lie to start the whole thing off doesnt it? Once that one thing has been said, how could they ever go back on it?

Fred in particular was known to Police for a long time, including for a complaint of kidnap. The Police dismissed it as him being a bit dim and 'the villiage idiot'
I don't think the McCanns killed their child, but wouldn't be surprised to find out that the girl either died or had a fatal accident whilst they were left alone in the apartment.
Saying that i'm pretty sure the Portugese Police were pretty incompetent and couldn't really give a fuck, like most tourist destinations.

What makes you say that?

There was a lot of documented evidence that the initial forensic investigations were 'casually' done and were contaminated, making them totally useless in any court case if they did reveal anything.
It's also pretty well documented how corrupt and behind in terms of investigative techniques that Portugal, and other countries are. Pretty much the same for all core government business, taking healthcare as an example!

[ripple11]

Hopefully Michelle will post her thoughts on here when she has read it.

Yep. I'll be posting my thoughts on the book when I get the chance to read it ... could be a while as really busy with work at  he moment.

Wanting the link to the book interested me because it was a 'case' that interested me.   Unlike other disappearances where there has been no 'forensic evidence of violence' - for example Susie Lamplugh, with this case there was evidence ... the blood splatters in the apartment.   Now, this could have been due Maddie having an accident of some sort, whilst her parents were out.  It also may have been the result of something more sinister.  Who really knows .... that's the reason I wanted to have a read of this book whilst 'keeping an open mind' on this case.

As for my own thoughts on it , all I can go on is a gut feeling that something just didn't sit right at the time, and more with the dad than the mum.  I have nothing to base this on, just from what I saw on the television.   Now, again this may be based on guilt feelings eminating from the parents whose 'crime' per se was leaving under aged children unattended for long periods of time.


@Chrisbruce  ... I fail to see where the whole line of the thread is disgusting though.  The OP was not written in an abusive manor nor in a manor set out to deliberately cause controversy. It was a post set out to discuss a book about an event that captured many many peoples interest and intrigue. The content of course is not going to be pleasant because what happened to Maddie (if we ever find out) was not pleasant ... but it happened.  

Putting my thoughts out there, I think the only disgusting post on this thread is the one made by you Chris because it was a personal flaming about a poster who quite clearly was posting about discussion on the content of a book.

In a bit of a rush while typing this as the blonde league game has started.

I believe the very small traces were eventually confirmed to be from a man who rented the appartment post the McCanns.

[MANTIS01]

Hopefully Michelle will post her thoughts on here when she has read it.

Yep. I'll be posting my thoughts on the book when I get the chance to read it ... could be a while as really busy with work at  he moment.

Wanting the link to the book interested me because it was a 'case' that interested me.   Unlike other disappearances where there has been no 'forensic evidence of violence' - for example Susie Lamplugh, with this case there was evidence ... the blood splatters in the apartment.   Now, this could have been due Maddie having an accident of some sort, whilst her parents were out.  It also may have been the result of something more sinister.  Who really knows .... that's the reason I wanted to have a read of this book whilst 'keeping an open mind' on this case.

As for my own thoughts on it , all I can go on is a gut feeling that something just didn't sit right at the time, and more with the dad than the mum.  I have nothing to base this on, just from what I saw on the television.   Now, again this may be based on guilt feelings eminating from the parents whose 'crime' per se was leaving under aged children unattended for long periods of time.


@Chrisbruce  ... I fail to see where the whole line of the thread is disgusting though.  The OP was not written in an abusive manor nor in a manor set out to deliberately cause controversy. It was a post set out to discuss a book about an event that captured many many peoples interest and intrigue. The content of course is not going to be pleasant because what happened to Maddie (if we ever find out) was not pleasant ... but it happened. 

Putting my thoughts out there, I think the only disgusting post on this thread is the one made by you Chris because it was a personal flaming about a poster who quite clearly was posting about discussion on the content of a book.

In a bit of a rush while typing this as the blonde league game has started.

You find a single post on a poker forum disgusting because it was personal flaming. Then how disgusted do you feel about the daily flaming and accusations from numerous people who speculate that the McCanns killed their own daughter? I would imagine Stuart Hopkin is a big enough man to cope with a single flaming post about his choice of subject matter, but I wonder how those parents cope with their flaming? What incredible hell they must be going through. So I don't think you should be all that disgusted about a post on Blondepoker, you should be more disgusted by people who fuel McCann flaming based on their gut feeling and nothing more.