have i played this right?

[outragous76]

With respect, mantis rarely posts his own opinion, he merely questions others and never commits

[George2Loose]

was using that stake more as a learning tool and can honestly say it worked. anyone reading your posts will realise your not a learning tool. just a spanner who has absolutely no idea how to play the game.

The person you sought poker advice from agrees with my contribution in this thread. Yet you enter the thread just to flame me for making that contribution. Anybody not blinded by clique membership will see the irony very clearly.

If you read both our contributions to this poker discussion you will see quite clearly who the spanner is. My posts were genuine and sought to provoke debate about poker and utilse the board for it's intended purpose. Your posts were designed purely to flame. This only spoils the board for members who want to use it for their own learning tool just like you used Longy. Funny cos he was staking you for small buy-ins a few weeks ago and suddenly you seem to be scoffing at people who play those kind of stakes or locally at their casino. That's prob about 95% of Blondes. You have come across as a cheeky kid in this thread, like a bit of fortune has gone straight to your head, luck comes and goes buddy but class is a timeless commodity, and it's a quality you seem to lack.

OK a few things:

1) I disagree with those saying varying pre flop sizing. I don't think in full ring it can work. It's far too exploitable.
2) I'm not bashing anyone who plays low buy in events at local casinos. It's where I started. I still play them. I enjoy it. However I wouldn't ask the local players for hand advice. They're not actually that good.
30 As for bashing blondes. I care for blonde, the pics when I won the 300 pound event for seventeen and a half thousand pounds kissing the badge prove that. Hence point number 2- your accusation of "flaming" is me trying to protect blonde from your "advice"
4) Longy is right. What happened during that stake is our business. No one elses. There were reasons I did it and reasons it didn't work mainly that I found sit and go's a grind. I haven't played any 45 manners since the arrangement ended.
5) As Cos says. [ ] You know me. I don't usually do cheap jibes but for you "buddy" I'll make an exception
6) http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=84288

[MANTIS01]

With respect, mantis rarely posts his own opinion, he merely questions others and never commits

With respect outragous a couple of pages ago you said my opinions were so at odds with conventional thought that I was failing epicly. A couple of pages later and I no longer have opinions and don't commit. Radical, unconventional opinions to no opinions is quite a shift. Also with respect, Longy, Alex Martin, and Dubai have all advocated varying raise size and I have yet to see you suggest they fail epicly with their unconventional opinions.

[outragous76]

Mantis

I have made my thoughts clearly on this thread and they haven't changed despite the subsequent posters comments, so yes I disagree with them too fwiw.

I would go as far as to say that your INITIAL respomse to any pha post is rarely your opinion but rather a question. You frequently use this form of 'politicians' response. I personally prefer to give my opinion and if I have time reasoning.

I am not in the 'bash mantis camp' but I think that if you turned up with your own point of view on a thread people would prefer it

[MANTIS01]

was using that stake more as a learning tool and can honestly say it worked. anyone reading your posts will realise your not a learning tool. just a spanner who has absolutely no idea how to play the game.

The person you sought poker advice from agrees with my contribution in this thread. Yet you enter the thread just to flame me for making that contribution. Anybody not blinded by clique membership will see the irony very clearly.

If you read both our contributions to this poker discussion you will see quite clearly who the spanner is. My posts were genuine and sought to provoke debate about poker and utilse the board for it's intended purpose. Your posts were designed purely to flame. This only spoils the board for members who want to use it for their own learning tool just like you used Longy. Funny cos he was staking you for small buy-ins a few weeks ago and suddenly you seem to be scoffing at people who play those kind of stakes or locally at their casino. That's prob about 95% of Blondes. You have come across as a cheeky kid in this thread, like a bit of fortune has gone straight to your head, luck comes and goes buddy but class is a timeless commodity, and it's a quality you seem to lack.

OK a few things:

1) I disagree with those saying varying pre flop sizing. I don't think in full ring it can work. It's far too exploitable.
2) I'm not bashing anyone who plays low buy in events at local casinos. It's where I started. I still play them. I enjoy it. However I wouldn't ask the local players for hand advice. They're not actually that good.
30 As for bashing blondes. I care for blonde, the pics when I won the 300 pound event for seventeen and a half thousand pounds kissing the badge prove that. Hence point number 2- your accusation of "flaming" is me trying to protect blonde from your "advice"
4) Longy is right. What happened during that stake is our business. No one elses. There were reasons I did it and reasons it didn't work mainly that I found sit and go's a grind. I haven't played any 45 manners since the arrangement ended.
5) As Cos says. [ ] You know me. I don't usually do cheap jibes but for you "buddy" I'll make an exception
6) http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=84288

I think you would protect Blonde more effectively if you simply deconstruct my arguments. If you read page 1 you can see infrequent contributors are worried about getting involved because of people like you. People who just flame other members for no real reason. If you don't think varying raise size is effective why didn't you put down your thoughts? What was the purpose for entering the discussion with LOL? Your contribution in this thread is not good for Blonde and I don't think kissing a badge proves otherwise, footballers do that all the time.

[MANTIS01]

Mantis

I have made my thoughts clearly on this thread and they haven't changed despite the subsequent posters comments, so yes I disagree with them too fwiw.

I would go as far as to say that your INITIAL respomse to any pha post is rarely your opinion but rather a question. You frequently use this form of 'politicians' response. I personally prefer to give my opinion and if I have time reasoning.

I am not in the 'bash mantis camp' but I think that if you turned up with your own point of view on a thread people would prefer it

Oh ok, so you think I don't offer enough advice...and the last guy is flaming me to protect Blonde from all my advice.

I reckon a question is a good way to start a debate and if you're interested in what the other guy thinks then it seems a reasonable way to enter a discussion but w/e.

[outragous76]

A question is a fine way to open a debate, but that is what the OP does

[Royal Flush]

Varying your raise sizing is great if you know how an oppo will react to the different bets, if however you don't know how he will react it just adds in another variable and makes taking optimal lines a lot harder.

[NoflopsHomer]

I'm not sure I'm comfortable with Flushy being the voice of reason in this thread.

[Simon Galloway]

Varying your raise sizing is great if you know how an oppo will react to the different bets...<snip>

I think that was the whole point (or a large point of it) that Mantis was making?  He wasn't advocating varying bet sizing for shits and giggles, he was suggesting raising more to exploit an opponent who calls liberally and then c/f's all the time.  The "other" camp were too frightened to deviate from decreed optimal play in case they should be exploited, or worse still , in case someone should think less of them for their non-text book raise amount.  I'm all for exploiting opponents that c/f too much, and as Mantis points out, if his leak is to c/f the flop too much, you'd better hurry up in the hand if you want to earn from that exploitation.

Some people like to call from the BB getting 3/1+ with anything.  Some of those people don't understand that they get 3/1 on that call, and even money on the rest of their stack thereafter when HU.  Some of those people don't really care about odds, they have already worked out that the button raiser will fire a cbet and give up on the turn too much, so will look to give them future opportunities to do so.  The exploiter can quickly become the exploited.  You have a button raiser looking to exploit a loose BB and you have a loose BB looking to exploit a button raiser that doesn't get to showdown enough.  Both players may or may not be playing sub optimally by looking to follow through with their plan, leaving themselves out of balance.  Which is only a problem if anyone else notices this imbalance and chooses to act on it. 

Back to the thread, I'm getting pretty bored with the Mantis wars, at lot of it is unmerited imo, he makes a decent contribution and supports his points well and while I don't always agree with them, I quite often do.

[TightEnd]

I've reached this thread too late to do much about it, and there is a lot of good stuff amongst the cat-calling

For the record, lets go easy on the name calling/flaming/personal stuff please. It really is not, IMO, warranted has carried on for thread after thread for far too long and reflects very badly on this board. I know it puts people off, which is the exact reverse of what some of you guys, as experienced and successful players, should be bringing to PHA. It's a very uncomfortable read


Please, tone it (the personal attacks, many just for the sake of it) down a lot please

[Laxie]

For the record - I sit back and read more than I post on the PHA board mainly because a fair bit of the time, my questions are asked and answered by you lot as the thread goes on.  When I do make the rare post here I jokingly start it with, 'be gentle' or the like because I know how heated it can get here.  But to be fair, I've never felt personally attacked and for that I'd like to thank all of you...on both sides. 

You all have a lot to offer and looking at it from both sides has helped me a lot in the past year or so especially.  Still have a long way to go.  Mainly because I don't put in the learning time I should.  But it's nice to know I can always land here for some good lessons when I'm in that learning mood.

[NigDawG]

interesting observation from someone on my table the other day..."you min raised utg so must of had AA"

we'd been playing same table for 90 minutes...

[NigDawG]

was using that stake more as a learning tool and can honestly say it worked. anyone reading your posts will realise your not a learning tool. just a spanner who has absolutely no idea how to play the game.

The person you sought poker advice from agrees with my contribution in this thread. Yet you enter the thread just to flame me for making that contribution. Anybody not blinded by clique membership will see the irony very clearly.

If you read both our contributions to this poker discussion you will see quite clearly who the spanner is. My posts were genuine and sought to provoke debate about poker and utilse the board for it's intended purpose. Your posts were designed purely to flame. This only spoils the board for members who want to use it for their own learning tool just like you used Longy. Funny cos he was staking you for small buy-ins a few weeks ago and suddenly you seem to be scoffing at people who play those kind of stakes or locally at their casino. That's prob about 95% of Blondes. You have come across as a cheeky kid in this thread, like a bit of fortune has gone straight to your head, luck comes and goes buddy but class is a timeless commodity, and it's a quality you seem to lack.

OK a few things:

1) I disagree with those saying varying pre flop sizing. I don't think in full ring it can work. It's far too exploitable.
2) I'm not bashing anyone who plays low buy in events at local casinos. It's where I started. I still play them. I enjoy it. However I wouldn't ask the local players for hand advice. They're not actually that good.
30 As for bashing blondes. I care for blonde, the pics when I won the 300 pound event for seventeen and a half thousand pounds kissing the badge prove that. Hence point number 2- your accusation of "flaming" is me trying to protect blonde from your "advice"
4) Longy is right. What happened during that stake is our business. No one elses. There were reasons I did it and reasons it didn't work mainly that I found sit and go's a grind. I haven't played any 45 manners since the arrangement ended.
5) As Cos says. [ ] You know me. I don't usually do cheap jibes but for you "buddy" I'll make an exception
6) http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=84288

so many unashamed and sickening brags in this post!

[Dubai]

You literally are all terrible.

A great drunk post that ive been told not to make anymore.