Staying Alive

[ACE2M]

Is it always correct sticking your chips in pre flop if you have committed yourself pre flop?

e.g. you are a bit shortstacked with 5xbb and you attempt to steal with a 3 x bb raise from the cut off with a ropey hand e.g. K9os . BB is very tight player and medium stacked and they put you all in.

16 players left with money at 10.

Would you always stick the rest in? or could you fold and hope for a better spot knowing you must be in all sorts of trouble against the BB's hand.

Personally i would always stick them in but i saw someone lay this down the other day then he made a come back with a couple of double ups and made the final table. BB had KK btw.

Later against the same BB i try to steal and end up in a very similar situation when i am holding K10 i stick the rest in and fail to outdraw the aces.

[Graham C]

last 3 times Ive tried this, Ive ended up losing and going out.  Next time Im going to fold

[totalise]

Is it always correct sticking your chips in pre flop if you have committed yourself pre flop?

e.g. you are a bit shortstacked with 5xbb and you attempt to steal with a 3 x bb raise from the cut off with a ropey hand e.g. K9os . BB is very tight player and medium stacked and they put you all in.

16 players left with money at 10.

Would you always stick the rest in? or could you fold and hope for a better spot knowing you must be in all sorts of trouble against the BB's hand.

Personally i would always stick them in but i saw someone lay this down the other day then he made a come back with a couple of double ups and made the final table. BB had KK btw.

Later against the same BB i try to steal and end up in a very similar situation when i am holding K10 i stick the rest in and fail to outdraw the aces.

its always correct to 'stick the rest in' if you think the pot is giving you an overlay, and its always correct to fold, if you dont think you are getting the correct odds.

Tourney poker isn't about useless heuristics such as "oh well, half my stack is in the middle, the rest should go in" the key to being a winning player, is to always be evaluating, and re-evaluating. What range of hands would your opponent be moving in with in this spot? Once you have the range, you either work it out, guestimate, or use pokerstove to tell your your pot equity. If this matches up with the odds the pot is laying,call. if not.. fold


Committed is a subjective notion that should never be used as a base assumption, without taking the other players hands into consideration.

[yt]

If i only had 5xBB left I wouldn't raise 3xBB. It's all in straight away or fold.

[booder]

If i only had 5xBB left I wouldn't raise 3xBB. It's all in straight away or fold.

agreed

[yt]

I think there are two questions by ace here. One how to play your short stack and two when to fold if you feel you are pot commited.
totalise's answer covers Q2 and I think I covered Q1!!
so does that help? it nice to talk poker on here eh?

[NoflopsHomer]

If i only had 5xBB left I wouldn't raise 3xBB. It's all in straight away or fold.

I go with Ironside here, if I'm sticking 35% or more of my chips in, I may as well stick them all in.

[yt]

If i only had 5xBB left I wouldn't raise 3xBB. It's all in straight away or fold.

I go with Ironside here, if I'm sticking 35% or more of my chips in, I may as well stick them all in.

does ironside communicate to you telepathically?

[NoflopsHomer]

If i only had 5xBB left I wouldn't raise 3xBB. It's all in straight away or fold.

I go with Ironside here, if I'm sticking 35% or more of my chips in, I may as well stick them all in.

does ironside communicate to you telepathically?

I remember a similiar discussion to this before.

[ifm]

Deja vu

[EvilSteve]

When I start to get under around the 10xBB chip stage I usually chuck it all in with any sort of decent hand or if I can't find a decent hand and I'm at roughly 8xBB I'll usually just start trying to steal pots/blinds by raising ALL IN. If you only have 5xBB I don't see the point in raising 3XBB and leaving yourself with  2XBB because your gonna chuck it in after the flop comes down anyway, you simply cannot lay it down here.

My rule is that when I start to get below 10XBB then it's time to get AGGRESSIVE and use your whole chip stack to try and steal pots, if at worst you get called then you might get lucky and double up.
I see people allowing themselves to get down to 2/3XBB and I wonder what they're thinking. Who's gonna fold to a raise of 2XBB when they know your shortstacked and gonna put it in with any two cards.

[EvilSteve]

A strategy I find can work well if your playing low buy in SnGs (£5-£20 or $) is that sit and wait from premium hands (don't always come I know) such as AA, KK, QQ, JJ or AK and push ALL IN. Because most of these low limit games are full of loose/bad/maniac type players then more often than not you get called by someone with a mediocre hand and as long as luck stays on your side then you should double up.

You have to play the low limit games differently to how you play the others, most of the strategies and guides you'll read online or in books aren't as effective for low buy in tourneys. Anyone playing low limits should give this a try and see how they like it.

[ACE2M]

I played an stt satelite yesterday and moved all in every hand as i was on a bit of a tilt, i was heads up with a 9 to 1 chips lead after 12 hands. The other guy was only one who didn't put his chips in. They were calling with any A rag or picture rag when all they had put in the pot at most was 15 or 30 chips.

[totalise]

When I start to get under around the 10xBB chip stage I usually chuck it all in with any sort of decent hand or if I can't find a decent hand and I'm at roughly 8xBB I'll usually just start trying to steal pots/blinds by raising ALL IN. If you only have 5xBB I don't see the point in raising 3XBB and leaving yourself with  2XBB because your gonna chuck it in after the flop comes down anyway, you simply cannot lay it down here.

rite.. so you cant lay it down, so whether you get it all in preflop, or on the flop, is irrelvant from yur perspective

what about if your opponent folds on the flop? you are free-rolling your bet preflop, because the worst that can happen, is that you get the same result as preflop anyway, but there is a chance (slim obviously) that they mite fold on the flop.

thats why people raise 3* rather then all in.. you have no downside, but an albeit small upside

[EvilSteve]

No opponent will fold on the flop if it's only a further 2XBB because they know whatever (hit or miss) you're chucking it all in so you're gonna get called anyway. If you raised 3XBB pre flop with a drawing hand for example and missed the flop your chucking the rest in (2XBB) with nothing, he may have hit the flop and will knock you out the tourney.

If you push ALL IN with the 5XBB preflop there's a chance of them folding and you can pick up the blinds which is preferable I'd say than to trying to improve on the flop. It's ok I suppose if you've got Aces but otherwise you're risking your tournament life.