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« Reply #780 on: June 19, 2010, 03:07:29 PM »

Firstly sorry to the guys that lost money in this, it's so sick it's unreal.
I know people that lost money in this and it's terrible.

I am more sickened than anything by what ive just read, seriously is this guy going to go and just drop this mess in his parents lap? did someone say he's 35? ffs his parents must be in their 60's how on earth can you go around giving it the big i am it to everyone living in a deluded world for a year taking 100k of peoples money conning 40 -50 people and then after getting found out just go and tell your parents and cry about it? lol what a joke that isnt a man, not a real man what an utter pathetic sad loser, are his elderly parents gonna have to spend all their savings now or sell there house? i wonder if they have health problems of their own? seriously how this guy can do this in the first place is beyond me but that is so depraved, inconsiderate and scummy to then be a man of his age and the only thing he can do is to cry off to his parents, what an absolute bottom feeder.

If i had slept in and missed the trade or whatever i'd rather rob banks to try and get the money back than do this to my parents, what a loser.


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When you  gave him 70K + did  he tell you he would run it by his parents first? No? When he was throwing 1k bets on roulette did he ring his dad to ask him which numbers to put it on? Did his mum used to rail him while he pulled out wads of £50s at the cash table? Then wtf have they got to do with it now. He's a grown man who made his own decisions. The really horrible thing is they may well have bailed him out once or twice before, albeit on a smaller scale, you just don't know what his history is with scamming friends and family.
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« Reply #781 on: June 19, 2010, 03:08:21 PM »

Rumours are circulating that his Betfair name is Mr_Winner and he spent 1k on happy meals
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« Reply #782 on: June 19, 2010, 03:10:37 PM »

What a sick situation.

I'd be almost certain he's been dumping the money from the 'syndicate' account to his other1 like ppl have said.

Betfair shld be able to quickly confirm this.

Messing up a trade wld be one thing and ppl obv knew the risks, but this appears to have been one long con.

He is a sick man and obviously fooled everyone.

As someone who was very critical of arrboy i feel maybe i shld also give him a sorry.

Still think u were a bit too aggro in yr approach and language at the time, however uve actually probably saved ppl from a great deal of even more grimmage, and for that you shld be thanked. I guess it took a real expert in football trades to smell a rat.




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« Reply #783 on: June 19, 2010, 03:15:02 PM »

Was just in my car and the following song came on. The lyrics go very well with what's happened here.

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« Reply #784 on: June 19, 2010, 03:20:12 PM »

lol spooky how apt that song is
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« Reply #785 on: June 19, 2010, 03:23:51 PM »

Hi Greek,

I dont exactly know the procedure for funding poker accounts on Betfair so this is a bit of guessing here.

It seems there was no cash left in the last three months, when the full account history comes through it may or may not have poker room business on there from earlier. The missing funds that Flops cannot account for might have been syphoned off via the poker room and not just the sportsbook. That could explain why even when the figs on the transactions showed a profit the amount left in the account doesnt match. If you move funds to the Aussie wallet from the UK wallet on Betfair thioe details on the Aussie wallet business aren't visible when viewing your UK wallet, could you check or could some of the lads that play poker on BF let us know if proker transactions are listed somewhere else on the account?

Just thinking ahead and again it might lead to nowt, if he has been dumping cash thru the poker room earlier in the accounts life it might lead to a record of who owned the accounts the money ended up with and this might lead to showing if there was anyone else invovled with getting the funds out of the account.

If he dumped say 5k on a heads up table to himself on another account in his name it would be clearly visable and set off the alarm bells, if he sits down and plays 10-15 hands against an account in a different name it wont set off any alarm bells security wise but would end up moving the funds to this other account and simply pay a little in rake to do so.

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« Reply #786 on: June 19, 2010, 03:27:12 PM »

oh and i know of arbboy IRL, he is def a character lol.

while i initially thought his posts were very repetitive and a bit close to the line (bear in mind i'm only catching up on this thread now and assume some of it has been - possibly heavily - edited by mods) given the seriousness of the actual revelations to come to light they are completely justified imo.

yes he started by making a point about the south korea match, but ultimately he was making other points and asking the sort questions that should of been more purposefully brought up weeks and months ago by those with a vested interest. had they done so then perhaps the problem wouldn't have escalated to what it has become now.

That;s only because none of his very pertinent questions were being answered, instead there was just a bunch of droolers replying to his posts with some lol stuff. That he ended up being banned is just amazing. What a thread.
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« Reply #787 on: June 19, 2010, 03:30:53 PM »

Betfair do not have seperate books / account for poker / sports betting etc.

Everything comes from the same money pot, except for the Australian betting which may be accounted for seperately.
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« Reply #788 on: June 19, 2010, 03:33:32 PM »

btw guys i sent my money via bank transfer but he also said you can pay via fulltilt transfer.  Can anyone who has memebership at one of those tracking sites for cash games see if he blew alot of money on cash games, or i guess if he wanted to send it out he would do it via transfer on fulltilt?
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« Reply #789 on: June 19, 2010, 03:34:07 PM »

looking at  the spread sheet that was posted
for what its worth may help some less able with excel to see what happened

when   market   p/l
Aug-09   soccer   £1,020
Sep-09   soccer   -£2,660

Oct-09   soccer   -£164
Nov-09   nothing either no activety or data missing from sheet ?   
Dec-09   soccer   -£15,632
      

Jan-10   Cricket   -£5,000
   as mentioned on thread this looks like cash dump ?   
Jan-10   Darts   £1,293
Jan-10   Golf   -£1,423
   again looks like  5 k cash dump within  golf data ?   
Jan-10   Horse Racing    £291
Jan-10   Snooker   £88
Jan-10   Tennis   £318
Jan-10   Soccer   £36,694
      £32,261
Feb-10   Basket ball   £92
Feb-10   Cricket   -£15,346
   suspious trade - 7k cash dump ?   
Feb-10   Darts   £1,103
Feb-10   Golf   -£1,714
Feb-10   Horse Racing    -£21,658
   note 9k of this loss laying    
   GB / Towc 4th Feb   
   GB/Towc 4th Feb 16:40 2m NHF   
   De Forgotten Man   
   Soccer   -£9,368
Feb-10   note 8k of this loss chelsea game backed at 1.27 not layed off   
Feb-10   Tennis   £1,417
      -£45,474
Mar-10   Cricket   -755
Mar-10   Darts   -£4,248
Mar-10   Golf   £308
Mar-10   Horse Racing    -£555
Mar-10   Motor sport   £117
Mar-10   Rugby union   £453
Mar-10   Soccer   -£1,454
Mar-10   Tennis   -£6,905
      -£13,039
      
      -£43,688


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« Reply #790 on: June 19, 2010, 03:37:24 PM »

Betfair do not have seperate books / account for poker / sports betting etc.

Everything comes from the same money pot, except for the Australian betting which may be accounted for seperately.

Thanks Chris, does it list poker transactions by session anywhere or if you sit at the poker table with 1k and then get up with 1200 doies that just increase your balance by the 200 quid or is there anywhere on the account to see details of each individual session?
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« Reply #791 on: June 19, 2010, 03:40:46 PM »

H, that tennis fig is very very worrying as that is one of the easiest sports to dump cash through self trading on immature markets as soon as they become available.
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« Reply #792 on: June 19, 2010, 03:42:02 PM »

look at the spread sheet that was posted
for what its worth my help some less able with excel to see what happened

when   market   p/l
Aug-09   soccer   £1,020
Sep-09   soccer   -£2,660

Oct-09   soccer   -£164
Nov-09   nothing either no activety or data missing from sheet ?   
Dec-09   soccer   -£15,632
      

Jan-10   Cricket   -£5,000
   as mentioned on thread this looks like cash dump ?   
Jan-10   Darts   £1,293
Jan-10   Golf   -£1,423
   again looks like  5 k cash dump within  golf data ?   
Jan-10   Horse Racing    £291
Jan-10   Snooker   £88
Jan-10   Tennis   £318
Jan-10   Soccer   £36,694
      £32,261
Feb-10   Basket ball   £92
Feb-10   Cricket   -£15,346
   suspious trade - 7k cash dump ?   
Feb-10   Darts   £1,103
Feb-10   Golf   -£1,714
Feb-10   Horse Racing    -£21,658
   note 9k of this loss laying    
   GB / Towc 4th Feb   
   GB/Towc 4th Feb 16:40 2m NHF   
   De Forgotten Man   
   Soccer   -£9,368
Feb-10   note 8k of this loss chelsea game backed at 1.27 not layed off   
Feb-10   Tennis   £1,417
      -£45,474
Mar-10   Cricket   -755
Mar-10   Darts   -£4,248
Mar-10   Golf   £308
Mar-10   Horse Racing    -£555
Mar-10   Motor sport   £117
Mar-10   Rugby union   £453
Mar-10   Soccer   -£1,454
Mar-10   Tennis   -£6,905
      -£13,039
      
      -£43,688




So basically there can be no doubt that not only did the "slepping in incident" not happen(he actually won money on that bet) but that for at least 3 months solid he used the tens and tens of thousands in that account as his own little gambling fund betting on everything from darts to the horses? not forgetting the occassional £5k theft that he wouldve cashed out on his other account to pay for holidays, £1k roulette spins etc ,in a nut shell thats what's happend yeah?

Might as well of just spat in every single person that investeds face, this is just so unbelievible, never seen anything like it in my life
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« Reply #793 on: June 19, 2010, 03:46:45 PM »

Firstly sorry to the guys that lost money in this, it's so sick it's unreal.
I know people that lost money in this and it's terrible.

I am more sickened than anything by what ive just read, seriously is this guy going to go and just drop this mess in his parents lap? did someone say he's 35? ffs his parents must be in their 60's how on earth can you go around giving it the big i am it to everyone living in a deluded world for a year taking 100k of peoples money conning 40 -50 people and then after getting found out just go and tell your parents and cry about it? lol what a joke that isnt a man, not a real man what an utter pathetic sad loser, are his elderly parents gonna have to spend all their savings now or sell there house? i wonder if they have health problems of their own? seriously how this guy can do this in the first place is beyond me but that is so depraved, inconsiderate and scummy to then be a man of his age and the only thing he can do is to cry off to his parents, what an absolute bottom feeder.

If i had slept in and missed the trade or whatever i'd rather rob banks to try and get the money back than do this to my parents, what a loser.

Good post. What a convo that must have been. Hi der Dad, look at me, I am your son and I am scum. I have no morals, I lie and I cheat and I steal. And I do all this for money. People think I'm balla and this makes me feel good. Now I have nothing left, not even my dignity, and I face jail, pls can you give me your money too? Are you proud of me?

Shit me, if it's any consolation to Greekstein your Dad might get pissed off with you for being stupid but he's got no reason to look at you ashamed that your his son. I would die before I did this to my parents.
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« Reply #794 on: June 19, 2010, 03:48:00 PM »

Guys thanks for the sorry's.  They are appreciated. I really didnt want to come out of this as being hated in the poker community whatever the outcome was of my questions on here.  IF he had been 100% legit and posted screenshots/answers to my other questions i would have been man enough to say fair play son.

 It takes a bigger man to say sorry and several of you have.  Several havent but its not an issue.  As everyone knows i had no involvement in this financially apart from (Wisely) advising several young poker kids not to invest and whatever anyone thinks never had an axe to grind.  I could smell a rat a long way out about this and Marky147 (the only guy i know personally to speak to on msn who was actually financially involved) will confirm i told him months ago he was insane to get involved in this scam.   I just wish i had brought it up earlier as i was very close to a number of times but ultimately i had no involvement financially so thought why get involved.  The Korea game was the final straw for me to prove that he knew fu ck all about football trading.

The last poster has got it spot on when he said why i was being repetitive because simply my numerous questions which any genuine pro punter would have answered easily, were not being answered.  I think its odds on a jail sentence will result here unless the guy finds the funds/repayment plan suitable for all concerned.  I think its his only hope.  Maybe a stint inside might do him good and by his 'rock bottom'.  I always thought the guy was a first class knob to be honest like others have said the way he used to cruise around dtd thinking he owned the place.  However i never saw a scam of this size coming on.  I just thought he was using the funds to make money for the investors but also to fund his own roll which was obviously zero.

Nig - why am i a character irl? We have met a few times just interested in what makes you say that?  Whatever anyone says about me ( i am very argumentive and like a verbal ruck/debate) i work very hard to make a living out of this game and do it the proper way.  The thought of people doing stuff like this makes me sick even on a much smaller level than this.  

I will be at DTD next weekend for the £300 so please say hi if you are there.
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