Mantis and James "Mfckin" Keys

[SuuPRlim]

Thing everyone is failing to realise is the organisation. If the duck sized Horses are organised then you;d be in real trouble, you get kicked so agressivley below the knee you'd fall over and then you'd be well and truly in the shit because there's little to no way to defend yourself from 360degree ground attacks, even if there is only 20-25 left alive (pr 15 fully fit and 7,8 injured ones)

At least with the one large duck you can identify its weakness (speed, and reach) and counter them, you wont be getting any suprise attacks or anything, target its legs and just avoid the wild flapping and pecking at all costs

Much closer than stated imo

If we're going to credit the horses with organisational skills then I think it's only fair to assign a bit of fighting knowledge to the duck as well.

A Horse sized duck with some tactical fighting skillz would kick ass. You wouldn't see any wild flapping because it'd know it's own weaknesses and your's and use it's size to it's advantage.

It'd conserve it's energy until you were close enough and then wildly flap the living shit out of you.

Very good point, I had in my obsession with the tiny horses being organised forgotten/disregarded the the intelectual property of the large duck, which perhaps given its size would be more inteligant than an individual tiny horse....well made

I'm just messin with you Mantis. If there's a book for this I'll be backing you to win. +1's from costas on your posts would be sweet

Shotgun laying mantis

sounds gay

lol can't believe I didn't twig that before I posted it

nh sir

In all seriousness lets please have some odds and assign a bookie - thing is i know zero about MANTIS, mantis would you feel comfortable in sharing online names/real name so I can accurately asses form and price? do you play exclusively MTTs or any cash at all???
tyx

[GreekStein]

Best of 5 HUSnGs is pretty much pointless. I was going to say it was totally pointless and I would price this up as 1.95 1.95 but I spent the last 20mins doing some maths just in case (yes I enjoyed it, so what?). If one player has a 55% chance of winning any given match (quite high I would say), they have a 59.3% chance of winning the best of 5. For 51%, they have 51.9% chance overall. So there's no way I'd offer odds on either player basically because I don't think even 55% is that achievable. Why can't you play cash again Mantis?

Ya I'm not keen to play HU SNG's (ideally I'd play cash) but I don't want to be seen to be setting all these awkward terms and stuff like Mantis is.

Btw I think Mantis probably did your calculations too Keys, and thus his decision to play HU SNGs.

[SuuPRlim]

Best of 5 HUSnGs is pretty much pointless. I was going to say it was totally pointless and I would price this up as 1.95 1.95 but I spent the last 20mins doing some maths just in case (yes I enjoyed it, so what?). If one player has a 55% chance of winning any given match (quite high I would say), they have a 59.3% chance of winning the best of 5. For 51%, they have 51.9% chance overall. So there's no way I'd offer odds on either player basically because I don't think even 55% is that achievable. Why can't you play cash again Mantis?

Good work. Although you have rendered you're own fine work slightly pointless, but a thorough conclusion is always useful regardless!

Yeah imo the best way to truly define skill over a small sample would be to play min200bb deep cash HU. Maybe NLHE/PLO mix although MANTIS might not know PLO as well as COS in which case its unfair to include that. As you said. 2 Dealers, 6 Hours = approx 150-200 hands and we can all (anti)rail.

Now If mantis isnt comfortable here, and is more experienced with MTTs maybe put a 60bb CAP on it.

Thoughts?

[MANTIS01]

Best of 5 HUSnGs is pretty much pointless. I was going to say it was totally pointless and I would price this up as 1.95 1.95 but I spent the last 20mins doing some maths just in case (yes I enjoyed it, so what?). If one player has a 55% chance of winning any given match (quite high I would say), they have a 59.3% chance of winning the best of 5. For 51%, they have 51.9% chance overall. So there's no way I'd offer odds on either player basically because I don't think even 55% is that achievable. Why can't you play cash again Mantis?

Ya I'm not keen to play HU SNG's (ideally I'd play cash) but I don't want to be seen to be setting all these awkward terms and stuff like Mantis is.

Btw I think Mantis probably did your calculations too Keys, and thus his decision to play HU SNGs.

Let's talk about the facts. I've made over 1,500 "insightful" posts on PHA and I think 2 of them have been on cash hands. I don't play cash so I don't pass comment. It's my tournament strategy you insist is terribad. But just so I understand. I give you a choice of structure and amount of games at a venue that suits you, a place where all your friends hang out, I work every weekend but am willing to organise time off from my schedule, you want to choose the stakes, and now you want a format I don't play. And you accuse me of "awkward terms and stuff". What a joker. It looks like you're trying to get every advantage against my terrible ass. My offer remains on the table.

Also can you please stop getting grimmed all the time. I mean every time I log on there's another Greekstein grimmed thread up on the board. It's makes me feel a bit of empathy for you and I don't feel comfortable with that.

[thetank]

Cliffs of middle part of thread plz
read first 3 pages and last 3 pages, seems dull

[GreekStein]

Best of 5 HUSnGs is pretty much pointless. I was going to say it was totally pointless and I would price this up as 1.95 1.95 but I spent the last 20mins doing some maths just in case (yes I enjoyed it, so what?). If one player has a 55% chance of winning any given match (quite high I would say), they have a 59.3% chance of winning the best of 5. For 51%, they have 51.9% chance overall. So there's no way I'd offer odds on either player basically because I don't think even 55% is that achievable. Why can't you play cash again Mantis?

Ya I'm not keen to play HU SNG's (ideally I'd play cash) but I don't want to be seen to be setting all these awkward terms and stuff like Mantis is.

Btw I think Mantis probably did your calculations too Keys, and thus his decision to play HU SNGs.

Let's talk about the facts. I've made over 1,500 "insightful" posts on PHA and I think 2 of them have been on cash hands. I don't play cash so I don't pass comment. It's my tournament strategy you insist is terribad. But just so I understand. I give you a choice of structure and amount of games at a venue that suits you, a place where all your friends hang out, I work every weekend but am willing to organise time off from my schedule, you want to choose the stakes, and now you want a format I don't play. And you accuse me of "awkward terms and stuff". What a joker. It looks like you're trying to get every advantage against my terrible ass. My offer remains on the table.

Also can you please stop getting grimmed all the time. I mean every time I log on there's another Greekstein grimmed thread up on the board. It's makes me feel a bit of empathy for you and I don't feel comfortable with that.

Yes I'll try not to get grimmed again but it's become rather a force of habit.

Yes I insist your poker thinking and basics are very bad and I know I would beat you over any sort of reasonable sample at any game you chose, tournament or cash. Cash, imo is just a greater test of skill - hence why I want to play deep stack cash against you.

What do you think about James Keys' post? I just want to play a game where we can determine true skill as much as possible.

Pretty sure you insisted on £100f's. I want to play for more than that but I don't mind particularly so will play pretty much anything (apart from £10r's).

Since you're a tournament specialist and I'm predominantly a cash player, I'll spot you your edge. Why don't we agree to play maybe 6 of the same tournaments throughout the year and most money won sends the other £1k and does your +1 post thing to the other's PHA? (If you play online we can add like 10 tournaments to this).

[DaveShoelace]

I reckon this and another thread are all part of a long con, Cos is eventually gonna somehow organise a heads up online PLO challenge vs Mantis and its actually going to be Riverdave playing on his account

[Royal Flush]

Mantis has a point about playing cash tbf but don't think it really converts to HU, you either know how to play or you don't.

200bb deep no blind increases call it a cash game, call it a sng, whatever it will give the best player a chance.

[GreekStein]

Mantis has a point about playing cash tbf but don't think it really converts to HU, you either know how to play or you don't.

200bb deep no blind increases call it a cash game, call it a sng, whatever it will give the best player a chance.

fine by me.

Best of 5 HUSnGs is pretty much pointless. I was going to say it was totally pointless and I would price this up as 1.95 1.95 but I spent the last 20mins doing some maths just in case (yes I enjoyed it, so what?). If one player has a 55% chance of winning any given match (quite high I would say), they have a 59.3% chance of winning the best of 5. For 51%, they have 51.9% chance overall. So there's no way I'd offer odds on either player basically because I don't think even 55% is that achievable. Why can't you play cash again Mantis?

Ya I'm not keen to play HU SNG's (ideally I'd play cash) but I don't want to be seen to be setting all these awkward terms and stuff like Mantis is.

Btw I think Mantis probably did your calculations too Keys, and thus his decision to play HU SNGs.

Let's talk about the facts. I've made over 1,500 "insightful" posts on PHA and I think 2 of them have been on cash hands. I don't play cash so I don't pass comment. It's my tournament strategy you insist is terribad. But just so I understand. I give you a choice of structure and amount of games at a venue that suits you, a place where all your friends hang out, I work every weekend but am willing to organise time off from my schedule, you want to choose the stakes, and now you want a format I don't play. And you accuse me of "awkward terms and stuff". What a joker. It looks like you're trying to get every advantage against my terrible ass. My offer remains on the table.

Also can you please stop getting grimmed all the time. I mean every time I log on there's another Greekstein grimmed thread up on the board. It's makes me feel a bit of empathy for you and I don't feel comfortable with that.

At the risk of sounding even more biased than I already do and making it look like I'm picking on Mantis, which I don't want to, I just have to point out that this simply isn't true. I found 4 Mantis posts in one recent cash hand analysis thread without much effort just now. And heads up cash no less.

lols

[celtic]

Fk all this 10 tournies a year crap please.

Heads up as suggested earlier. I have my Mantis t-shirt printed already.

No good to me if you start spreading it out over a year.

Thanks.

[GreekStein]

Fk all this 10 tournies a year crap please.

Heads up as suggested earlier. I have my Mantis t-shirt printed already.

No good to me if you start spreading it out over a year.

Thanks.

np with me

[Woodsey]

Cos you need to start another heated discussion with somebody else imo. I'm concerned that 2 concurrent discussions and a 2/4 PLO game isn't enough to keep your mind fully occupied and you will get bored..........

[GreekStein]

Cos you need to start another heated discussion with somebody else imo. I'm concerned that 2 concurrent discussions and a 2/4 PLO game isn't enough to keep your mind fully occupied and you will get bored..........

lol come on Susannie join the fun

[MANTIS01]

Best of 5 HUSnGs is pretty much pointless. I was going to say it was totally pointless and I would price this up as 1.95 1.95 but I spent the last 20mins doing some maths just in case (yes I enjoyed it, so what?). If one player has a 55% chance of winning any given match (quite high I would say), they have a 59.3% chance of winning the best of 5. For 51%, they have 51.9% chance overall. So there's no way I'd offer odds on either player basically because I don't think even 55% is that achievable. Why can't you play cash again Mantis?

Ya I'm not keen to play HU SNG's (ideally I'd play cash) but I don't want to be seen to be setting all these awkward terms and stuff like Mantis is.

Btw I think Mantis probably did your calculations too Keys, and thus his decision to play HU SNGs.

Let's talk about the facts. I've made over 1,500 "insightful" posts on PHA and I think 2 of them have been on cash hands. I don't play cash so I don't pass comment. It's my tournament strategy you insist is terribad. But just so I understand. I give you a choice of structure and amount of games at a venue that suits you, a place where all your friends hang out, I work every weekend but am willing to organise time off from my schedule, you want to choose the stakes, and now you want a format I don't play. And you accuse me of "awkward terms and stuff". What a joker. It looks like you're trying to get every advantage against my terrible ass. My offer remains on the table.

Also can you please stop getting grimmed all the time. I mean every time I log on there's another Greekstein grimmed thread up on the board. It's makes me feel a bit of empathy for you and I don't feel comfortable with that.

At the risk of sounding even more biased than I already do and making it look like I'm picking on Mantis, which I don't want to, I just have to point out that this simply isn't true. I found 4 Mantis posts in one recent cash hand analysis thread without much effort just now. And heads up cash no less.

Yeah you definitely sound biased. I would suggest your revelation is rather ghey though. You have managed to find 4 posts on one thread out of 1500+ posts. Obv this proves I post on cash all the time. Why don't you count the total and come back and tell me when you're done. The reality is I think you sound childish mate and I really don't see you picking on me. Your horse Greeky makes the stats up. Also Greeky wtf you want some long term 12-month commitment off me now?

[George2Loose]

Best of 5 HUSnGs is pretty much pointless. I was going to say it was totally pointless and I would price this up as 1.95 1.95 but I spent the last 20mins doing some maths just in case (yes I enjoyed it, so what?). If one player has a 55% chance of winning any given match (quite high I would say), they have a 59.3% chance of winning the best of 5. For 51%, they have 51.9% chance overall. So there's no way I'd offer odds on either player basically because I don't think even 55% is that achievable. Why can't you play cash again Mantis?

Ya I'm not keen to play HU SNG's (ideally I'd play cash) but I don't want to be seen to be setting all these awkward terms and stuff like Mantis is.

Btw I think Mantis probably did your calculations too Keys, and thus his decision to play HU SNGs.

Let's talk about the facts. I've made over 1,500 "insightful" posts on PHA and I think 2 of them have been on cash hands. I don't play cash so I don't pass comment. It's my tournament strategy you insist is terribad. But just so I understand. I give you a choice of structure and amount of games at a venue that suits you, a place where all your friends hang out, I work every weekend but am willing to organise time off from my schedule, you want to choose the stakes, and now you want a format I don't play. And you accuse me of "awkward terms and stuff". What a joker. It looks like you're trying to get every advantage against my terrible ass. My offer remains on the table.

Also can you please stop getting grimmed all the time. I mean every time I log on there's another Greekstein grimmed thread up on the board. It's makes me feel a bit of empathy for you and I don't feel comfortable with that.

At the risk of sounding even more biased than I already do and making it look like I'm picking on Mantis, which I don't want to, I just have to point out that this simply isn't true. I found 4 Mantis posts in one recent cash hand analysis thread without much effort just now. And heads up cash no less.

Yeah you definitely sound biased. I would suggest your revelation is rather ghey though. You have managed to find 4 posts on one thread out of 1500+ posts. Obv this proves I post on cash all the time. Why don't you count the total and come back and tell me when you're done. The reality is I think you sound childish mate and I really don't see you picking on me. Your horse Greeky makes the stats up. Also Greeky wtf you want some long term 12-month commitment off me now?

homegame somwhere for the win.

me
cos
mantis
keys
b carter
woodsey
tikay
tighty
chilli (eye candy)

Whoever's out first has to deal obv