Apology to Tikay.

[celtic]

Keeping it off the forum would have been impossible imo.

Better to keep quiet and let someone put it on their blog?

Tikay has said himself that he probably didn't handle it well, but i have yet to hear a way it could be done that wouldn't end up with 3 threads of shite and loads of hate.

I'm pretty sure Kev and Laxie and anybody else involved don't need all this going on.

Laxie has posted she is sick of it and the first thing Kev said to me on MSN today was don't mention blonde...

Think it's time to let it die.

[brummieboy]

Sigh.  And round and round we go.  What started out as an apology to Tikay turns into a hunt for Jane's head, followed by more of the same from the ITB crew & co. - hounding and hunting anyone with an opinion that differs to theirs.  Which in turn forces a reply from me.

I can deal with the taunting and discreet threats being thrown my way.  I never expected any less from you.  Carry on Lads and enjoy while you can.  I'm a nutter.  Not a bit shy and enjoy going out just like everyone else and everyone knows that.  I've even been called 'one of the lads' as I'm not usually phased by the goings on around the place.  So do your worst while you can.  Because you won't bully me.  The people who know me will be capable of picking the truths from your lies.  Anyone who doesn't know me is free to ask and I'll answer any questions I can.

I'm more annoyed with the abuse being thrown in the direction of people who 'dare' to show any support on my behalf.  And it is happening all around us.  On a regular basis.  Publicly and privately.  Is that because you're afraid the 'untouchable' group might in fact have 'landed in it' this time?  

I have been asked to provide proof.  I have been made run through hoops to get that proof.  All the while those mates try to close ranks in hopes of hiding the facts.  Luckily one piece of proof is an 'apology' from the person in question.  Amazing, I know.  All I can guess is they hoped I would drop it after that.  There is also his admission when questioned by the police.  You can spin it any way you like Paul, but this time at least one member of your ranks has messed with the wrong person...and admitted it.

When you're asked to provide proof before punishment for Jane is considered, instead of supplying it, attempts are made to cloud that one very simple request.  Provide proof.  It would be a crying shame if random accusations/assumptions were allowed fly against Jane just because you shouted loudest.

I am so very sorry the rest of you have been dragged through this yet again.  Believe me when I say, if I could wave a magic wand and make this all go away, I'd have it done long ago.  Of that you can be sure.  I'm not even entirely thrilled with this reply because it's from an angry heart.  Suppose it was abound to happen eventually.  Been sad long enough.  

i completely understand you being upset at people saying things against you Dawn,what happened to you is unforgivable...however i have expresed the opinion that i think Jane be demodded and i am in no way part of that crew i have my own mind and have heaerd a great deal from both sides and am still of the same opinion about Jane.

Totally agree with this, can't see how Jane can remain a mod after what she has done don't think its even a hard decision.

[Ginger]

Sigh.  And round and round we go.  What started out as an apology to Tikay turns into a hunt for Jane's head, followed by more of the same from the ITB crew & co. - hounding and hunting anyone with an opinion that differs to theirs.  Which in turn forces a reply from me.

I can deal with the taunting and discreet threats being thrown my way.  I never expected any less from you.  Carry on Lads and enjoy while you can.  I'm a nutter.  Not a bit shy and enjoy going out just like everyone else and everyone knows that.  I've even been called 'one of the lads' as I'm not usually phased by the goings on around the place.  So do your worst while you can.  Because you won't bully me.  The people who know me will be capable of picking the truths from your lies.  Anyone who doesn't know me is free to ask and I'll answer any questions I can.

I'm more annoyed with the abuse being thrown in the direction of people who 'dare' to show any support on my behalf.  And it is happening all around us.  On a regular basis.  Publicly and privately.  Is that because you're afraid the 'untouchable' group might in fact have 'landed in it' this time?  

I have been asked to provide proof.  I have been made run through hoops to get that proof.  All the while those mates try to close ranks in hopes of hiding the facts.  Luckily one piece of proof is an 'apology' from the person in question.  Amazing, I know.  All I can guess is they hoped I would drop it after that.  There is also his admission when questioned by the police.  You can spin it any way you like Paul, but this time at least one member of your ranks has messed with the wrong person...and admitted it.

When you're asked to provide proof before punishment for Jane is considered, instead of supplying it, attempts are made to cloud that one very simple request.  Provide proof.  It would be a crying shame if random accusations/assumptions were allowed fly against Jane just because you shouted loudest.

I am so very sorry the rest of you have been dragged through this yet again.  Believe me when I say, if I could wave a magic wand and make this all go away, I'd have it done long ago.  Of that you can be sure.  I'm not even entirely thrilled with this reply because it's from an angry heart.  Suppose it was abound to happen eventually.  Been sad long enough.  

i completely understand you being upset at people saying things against you Dawn,what happened to you is unforgivable...however i have expresed the opinion that i think Jane be demodded and i am in no way part of that crew i have my own mind and have heaerd a great deal from both sides and am still of the same opinion about Jane.

Totally agree with this, can't see how Jane can remain a mod after what she has done don't think its even a hard decision.

Just so I know, what in relation to blonde do you think I have done?

I keep hearing this and will be making a post later on the whole sorry ordeal, but this is really ticking me off. Forget hearsay, forget what you have heard through Chinese whispers, what do you think I have done that constitutes me not being a mod?

Remove what is a private matter between myself and Kev (hard after all the smokescreens have been put in place, granted) but honestly, show me what I personally have done against blonde. Please, it would be very enlightening.

[sovietsong]

I think people are probably referring to you hacking into somebody's PC, reading many personal messages (msn it seems) between Blondes Cardroom Manager and members of the forum without permission from the cardroom manager or the blonde forum members themselves.

How many of my conversations have you read?

[StuartHopkin]

Personally I think the fact that this is a supposed community and many members have stated they no longer trust you or want you around here should be enough to have your modship removed.

[sovietsong]

Tell us what happened Jane if all the hearsay is frustrating! You can probably clear this whole mess up.

[Ginger]

Try being on the receiving end, it's no picnic. Post coming soon, it's getting rather long and needs to cover many things, some of which I can't speak about in great detail. 

[GreekStein]

Sigh.  And round and round we go.  What started out as an apology to Tikay turns into a hunt for Jane's head, followed by more of the same from the ITB crew & co. - hounding and hunting anyone with an opinion that differs to theirs.  Which in turn forces a reply from me.

I can deal with the taunting and discreet threats being thrown my way.  I never expected any less from you.  Carry on Lads and enjoy while you can.  I'm a nutter.  Not a bit shy and enjoy going out just like everyone else and everyone knows that.  I've even been called 'one of the lads' as I'm not usually phased by the goings on around the place.  So do your worst while you can.  Because you won't bully me.  The people who know me will be capable of picking the truths from your lies.  Anyone who doesn't know me is free to ask and I'll answer any questions I can.

I'm more annoyed with the abuse being thrown in the direction of people who 'dare' to show any support on my behalf.  And it is happening all around us.  On a regular basis.  Publicly and privately.  Is that because you're afraid the 'untouchable' group might in fact have 'landed in it' this time?  

I have been asked to provide proof.  I have been made run through hoops to get that proof.  All the while those mates try to close ranks in hopes of hiding the facts.  Luckily one piece of proof is an 'apology' from the person in question.  Amazing, I know.  All I can guess is they hoped I would drop it after that.  There is also his admission when questioned by the police.  You can spin it any way you like Paul, but this time at least one member of your ranks has messed with the wrong person...and admitted it.

When you're asked to provide proof before punishment for Jane is considered, instead of supplying it, attempts are made to cloud that one very simple request.  Provide proof.  It would be a crying shame if random accusations/assumptions were allowed fly against Jane just because you shouted loudest.

I am so very sorry the rest of you have been dragged through this yet again.  Believe me when I say, if I could wave a magic wand and make this all go away, I'd have it done long ago.  Of that you can be sure.  I'm not even entirely thrilled with this reply because it's from an angry heart.  Suppose it was abound to happen eventually.  Been sad long enough.  

i completely understand you being upset at people saying things against you Dawn,what happened to you is unforgivable...however i have expresed the opinion that i think Jane be demodded and i am in no way part of that crew i have my own mind and have heaerd a great deal from both sides and am still of the same opinion about Jane.

Totally agree with this, can't see how Jane can remain a mod after what she has done don't think its even a hard decision.

Just so I know, what in relation to blonde do you think I have done?

I keep hearing this and will be making a post later on the whole sorry ordeal, but this is really ticking me off. Forget hearsay, forget what you have heard through Chinese whispers, what do you think I have done that constitutes me not being a mod?

Remove what is a private matter between myself and Kev (hard after all the smokescreens have been put in place, granted) but honestly, show me what I personally have done against blonde. Please, it would be very enlightening.

Jane,

I don't want to comment on what's happened between you and Kev or your personal lives as that's not really anyone's business.

It's also not that you've 'done anything against blonde' as you put it. However, your actions in going through Kev's personal stuff put you in a position where people can't trust you as a moderator.

There are probably many people uninvolved with matters being discussed who are very unhappy that their private conversations with Kev have been seen by yourself.

[Ginger]

I was trying to avoid posting, a right to reply is just that – a right, not a rule that must be obeyed , a lot of what is being talked about is none of anyone’s business, I have the right not to drag out dirty washing in public. However, as certain people do not want me to have this right, and instead seem to believe it is ok to tell half truths, innuendo and outright lies and make monumental jumps to conclusions, so, I have little choice left but to give some facts, I won’t go into everything, but the main points of contention.

 I will not be questioned repeatedly on what I write here now, many of you have come to your own conclusions without caring if your facts are straight, you believe want you want and will continue to do so, and I do not expect to change your mind. What I do expect is for people to read into this what you want, and let the people actually involved in it to move on.   

Kev states that I was accessed his computer to be malicious, why would I wait to ‘find’ something for so long? I had 3 months to do this if I wished, yet Kev tries to imply that I spent all of one day ‘hacking’ his computer. If hacking is pressing the power button, then I’m guilty.

I used the bedroom pc to do my coursework’s remote labs (which are pig to work on with Vista) Kev used the only XP machine and I would use this whenever I could get some decent time on it. I have screenshots showing me on an XP OS (used for the assignments, of course I have no proof that this is the machine in question) but somewhere in the bowels of the PC there will be proof. Mind you, it would seem that you don’t need proof around here lately to be judged. I did remove several pictures, I believe between 8 -12 off the computer in question, these consisted of pics taken on my birthday with the blondepoker.Ltd camera, they were of me and my children in London. These are not Kev’s pictures and IMO has little right to them, does anyone really think otherwise?

I have not deleted any emails from the PC, I could not and did not access them. I did not delete files off the computer, the nature of the files I am accused of deleting would actually benefit the impending criminal case. I would not open myself to all this to go and delete the very files that were needed, that would be more that ludicrous. If the files are no longer on the computer, I can only speculate to how they would not be there now…

No evidence can show me accessing Kev’s email account (hotmail), because I didn’t. I can say this with a 100% clear mind. In fact, I ask Kev to contact hotmail and ask for the records of what IP address accessed his account of the day I am accused of, I know, without doubt, that it will only show Kev’s own address. So please, contact hotmail and ask what IP addresses went into your email on that date, I could really use the proof to clear my name (and, I assume, the apology that would undoubtedly follow.)

Any other information that is stored on that machine is open for corruption, I cannot prove I didn’t access what I am accused of, and Kev cannot prove I did. Anyone, given a date and a list of 10 different websites can show they visited them all on the date you said – simply by changing the  date on the pc (the one in the corner on the bottom, go and try (but remember to change it back!) then look at the browser history). Kev knows this too, he had changed it by accident recently and it caused a few glitches, we noticed this side effect.….
 ‘The Video’ – Before I go into this area at all, I have to make it clear that I personally never gave this information to anyone other than Dawn. I never asked her to forward it, or implied that she do so. I gave Dawn a single piece of information and was then asked for further info surrounding what I had passed on. Dawn can confirm that I was extremely reluctant to pass on this extra information, and others can confirm that I had asked advice as what to do in the situation, I was even offered for someone to pass on the information for me so I could remain anonymous, I foolishly thought that it would be seen badly if I did such a thing….

Just to be clear, I did not inform Dawn of the existence of this video, I became aware of the list of people that had seen the video and was surprised to see Kev on list. I was aware that any extra information would be extremely beneficial to Dawn due to some problems that were arising, Kev seeing the video meant that he would have been sent the link, it would only come from a handful of people, I have no need or desire to read through a load of trash, I had a rough date and a few names, I looked no further (as a side note, I won’t apologise for getting that info off a computer that I used, from a connection I paid for. Given the same situation I would do it again in a heartbeat, anyone that says differently should be ashamed with themselves) Due to the nature of the ongoing investigation, myself and some others are restricted in what information can be placed in public at this time. There is a lot more to it that what you all realise, and as much as I would love to say exactly what is going on but my hands are very much tied.  Any recent suggestion that I had knowledge of the crime committed against Dawn before this discovery is grossly untrue. Just in case that isn’t clear, I was aware of something happening between Dawn and someone else, but I was not aware of the nature of what happened. Had I known earlier I would pass on the information as soon as I could, without question.

[Ginger]

Brendan – This is quite simple and makes me quite bemused that anyone is trying to change it into anything it is not. When you spend a reasonable amount of time with someone, whoever it may be, you can tell when they are lying a mile off; they may as well have a neon sign over their head with a honking siren. Kev and the Brendan payment was exactly one of those times, I asked a simple question and was obviously lied to, and as it was Kev’s job to deal with these matters what could I do, ask for proof that he had paid? I couldn’t go behind his back, at the time we still had some resemblance of a relationship. Later, when the time came that I wasn’t in the awkward situation to ask the question, I asked it. I simply queried would it be possible to find out if the payment went to the family as I had a nagging doubt that something was wrong, I did speak to someone both within blonde and a third party.

Regarding my Modship, and ‘being protected’ by blonde, does anyone really believe that after going to the lengths that blonde have recently, that they would protect another a mod, seriously? I’m flattered by all you people that think my feminine ways are so powerful that I can control major shareholders that I haven’t seen for 2 years at least.

I don’t, obviously, see an issue with continuing to be a moderator. I have never given anyone within blonde any reason to doubt my integrity, and as the actions that took place a few weeks ago were, realistically, nothing to do with sensitive blonde information I am still of that view. People are trying to say that I have ‘hacked’ a pc, I have invaded Kev’s privacy, to those people I say = “oh please, get a reality check already” this was a PC in my bedroom that I had access to for goodness sake, and if you had been given the information that I had, then every one of you would have done exactly the same thing I did, and if you all can say hand on heart that you wouldn’t help then I wouldn’t want a part of a place that has those sorts of people. I don’t know Kev’s email account passwords; I don’t know his blonde account passwords, both things I have been falsely accused of accessing to make a smokescreen, allowing the peoples judgement to be clouded.

Again I need to state that I myself, never, ever made any of this public, the small part that I was involved in I insisted in confidentiality, and even then never mentioned Kev’s name or implied any wrongdoing. I asked a single question, gave one small piece of info to another that needed it, and had no other part in any more of it.

Kev has been the person that has come to conclusions and twisted what has happened, and passed on bits of false information which leads us to where we are today, does nobody else find it odd that it was only after I asked him to move his considerable amount of belongings that I was storing, for free, that it was HE that got nasty, he started posting BS all over the place. Kev admits I accessed the PC once, the day before it was being collected. Hardly the actions of someone trying to find dirt on a person, this is the same day that I spent packing all day carefully packing his stuff up, spent hours in the attic finding everything that belonged to Kev, running around getting boxes to pack his things up. If I was being such a bitch (which apparently I was, or am now, I can’t keep up) why would I do this? Kev has said many times before that he has thousands of PM’s, do you all think I had time to ‘hack’ into the computer (pushing the ‘on’ button is technical, I know) change passwords to gain access to the apparent info, read thousands of PM’s, and pack up a vans worth of stuff, all while doing the mum thing?!

It’s laughable, and the whole situation would be comical if some of you couldn’t see the wood through the trees, you are so caught up in my using a computer in my own bedroom that can’t see that everything else is designed to make others the wrongdoers. Kev many a time read my PM’s, we had many an argument about it, and he read my msn conversations so many times that 2 years ago I stopped using it altogether, it wasn’t worth the hassle. In the end I placed a lock on my computer that stopped him doing this, however, on the odd occasion that I would forget, he would admit that he couldn’t help himself and would read all my emails. So, don’t sit there pointing the finger at me please, Kev did exactly what he is accusing me of dozens of times. The difference is Hotmail can prove that I never accessed his email, but of course Kev doesn’t want to get that proof, does he.

Right, that about covers all that I am willing to drag up, I could go on for pages but what use would it be? you either believe a smokescreen or you believe the above. I won’t be answering scores of questions as quite frankly I, and others, have been put through the ringer enough over this situation, time to move on.

To finish I want you to remember that I could, have I felt the desire or need, been completely anonymous in this whole situation, possibly something that someone acting maliciously would do. However, as I had nothing to hide and was not guilty of anything, I did not do this…

[sovietsong]

tl;dr

[StuartHopkin]

What are you trying to say?

[Ginger]

What are you trying to say?

Is that directed at me? If so the words are there, read it if you want. Some, and by some I also include you, have quite clearly made up your mind as to what has happened, I do not intend on getting into any debate.

Kev has spun something very simple into something it is not in an attempt to divert attention, some people wanted me to post my side, I have.

[littlemissC]

Janes reply was always going to be Kevs lying im not,so no shocks there.The same as Kev says the same thing back.

Nevermind whose "side" you are on,for me the issue is if a mod is not trusted by a large portion of the forum then surely that mod should resign/or be de modded(lol at that word).IMO it is whats best for the forum,although i know it is not the view of most so ignore me if u must.

If Jane continues as a mod will it affect blonde members much? proberly not,but with the mood around here already sour from this maybe it will go a little way into calming some people down.Maybe not.
If she stays will the debate run and run,yes.Will some people question every future post she makes,yes.

There is no do denying this is a tough decision for Tikay and i hope he makes the right one whichever that is in his eyes.

The only victim in all this is Dawn and i think she should just be left out of it from now on,shes dealing with enough.

[Ginger]

Correct Fran, it is my word against Kev's, I don't deny that.

However, what isn't in doubt is the reasons Kev was asked to leave, I won't and can't be held responsible for those actions. What you are basically saying is it's one person's word against another, but it's ok for one to possibly tell so many lies/half truths that it makes the integrity of the other in doubt.

That seem right to you, or fair?

I did nothing wrong, and those that have chosen to believe something without bothering to ask the other side (me) for information have been most vocal, yourself included. You have come to a conclusion with only knowing half a story, and made up your mind. Forgive me if I hope Tony doesn't listen to an obvious biased, made up mind.