Apology to Tikay.

[turny]

u understand wrong about the pc in question

Guess it depends who told ya..

exactly

And which one you believe.. Someone who stole from someone, or, the person who had enough morals to notify of the offence.!!

enough morals to invade someones privacy

pretty sure you must be the saint here not me ;-)

[StuartHopkin]

Are we arguing now why Kev was banned or why Ginger should be banned?

So many part stories Im starting to lose it.

[tikay]

The issue of Jane's Modship.

Jeez, this is very complicated, but here we go.

Responsibility for who does & does not Mod rests ultimately with me. To some degree they all input, then Tighty collates that, & then he passes it to me, usually with a recommendation, to make the final decision.

My memory is hazy on this (but the point remains the same), because, please understand, I'm being overwhelmed with PM's, Texts, phone calls, FB Messages, all of which I try to reply to, & it's entirely possible I may mis-remember some of this stuff. I lead a full life, & have a day job elsewhere, which consumes a lot of time & energy, so cut me a little slack if I get a few things slighty wrong as to detail, but be assured it's not deliberate. I have no need to lie about anything.

My memory is that at LEAST one Mod has expressed a strong view to me that Jane should be removed of her Modship. I'm not denying others did, I just don't, right now, recall.

He - the one I clearly remember - expressed that view away from the Mods board - obviously. He sent me PM's, & we discussed it at length over the telephone. His view was very strong, but failed to convince me. We never fell out, but we never reached a meeting of minds on it. I did understand his view though & he understood mine. It remains an unresolved issue.

It's just not possible to discuss Jane on the Mods board, for obvious reasons. You may think that's reason enough to remove her modship, but I'm not sure THAT reason is adequate. Other reasons (to follow) are open to a wide variance of opinion, but the fact that we cannot discuss the issues because Jane may see them is negated, because we do not discuss them in the Mods Board anyway.

Furthermore, the main bone of contention as to Jane's Modship is (& I may be wrong in that) that she is accused of reading Kev's PM's improperly.

There is NO evidence that Jane ever examined Kev's PM's - or none that I have seen. None at all.

Does anyone have such evidence? If so, send it to me.

Because she looked at other stuff has automatically led others into thinking she MUST have examined his PM's. I'm pretty sure that logic is flawed.

We can suspect she did, but that's an altogether different thing, & I cannot remove her Modship on that basis.

A lot of ugly things have surfaced, but I've not seen a shred of evidence that she has improperly seen Kev's PM's.

To many, that issue - Kev's PM's - is a hypothetical one, but nonetheless valid. I think we, & certainly I, have enough real issues, extremely complex ones, to deal with, without the hypotheticals.

I have spent a lot of time grappling with the rights & wrongs of Jane's Modship. Because I have not commented so far (and there is a lot of stuff I have not commented upon), does not mean it is not exercising me greatly, just as everything else in this sorry mess taxes me. There are a whole range of imperfect solutions at my disposal. I'm trying to pick the least imperfect ones. Why would I do otherwise?

If any single one of you was in my spot, you'd find it incrediblly challenging to know what was the right thing to do.

In all honesty, though it's exercised my mind greatly, it has NOT been at the top of my list of things (related things) to sort out, & I'm struggling to understasnd why it is. If I resolved it tonight, to keep everyone quiet, would the whole matter blow away & be forgotten? I don't think so. Then it would be some other aspect of the tale. It would.

All I can say is this - I'll elevate it in my list of priorities, & give it deep & serious thought, straight away. But I'm not being bullied into anything.

Meanwhile, if anyone has evidence that Jane has abused the confidentiality of kev's PM's, send it to me please.

In the interim, I'm asking the Mods to remove any non-compliant Posts in the line of regular thread husbandry. Passions are high amongst interested parties, but if it's not kept civil, Posts will be removed, & the Thread may have to be locked, which I'd much rather not happen.

More shortly, on Jane's modship.

[Laxie]

Sigh.  And round and round we go.  What started out as an apology to Tikay turns into a hunt for Jane's head, followed by more of the same from the ITB crew & co. - hounding and hunting anyone with an opinion that differs to theirs.  Which in turn forces a reply from me.

I can deal with the taunting and discreet threats being thrown my way.  I never expected any less from you.  Carry on Lads and enjoy while you can.  I'm a nutter.  Not a bit shy and enjoy going out just like everyone else and everyone knows that.  I've even been called 'one of the lads' as I'm not usually phased by the goings on around the place.  So do your worst while you can.  Because you won't bully me.  The people who know me will be capable of picking the truths from your lies.  Anyone who doesn't know me is free to ask and I'll answer any questions I can.

I'm more annoyed with the abuse being thrown in the direction of people who 'dare' to show any support on my behalf.  And it is happening all around us.  On a regular basis.  Publicly and privately.  Is that because you're afraid the 'untouchable' group might in fact have 'landed in it' this time?  

I have been asked to provide proof.  I have been made run through hoops to get that proof.  All the while those mates try to close ranks in hopes of hiding the facts.  Luckily one piece of proof is an 'apology' from the person in question.  Amazing, I know.  All I can guess is they hoped I would drop it after that.  There is also his admission when questioned by the police.  You can spin it any way you like Paul, but this time at least one member of your ranks has messed with the wrong person...and admitted it.

When you're asked to provide proof before punishment for Jane is considered, instead of supplying it, attempts are made to cloud that one very simple request.  Provide proof.  It would be a crying shame if random accusations/assumptions were allowed fly against Jane just because you shouted loudest.

I am so very sorry the rest of you have been dragged through this yet again.  Believe me when I say, if I could wave a magic wand and make this all go away, I'd have it done long ago.  Of that you can be sure.  I'm not even entirely thrilled with this reply because it's from an angry heart.  Suppose it was abound to happen eventually.  Been sad long enough.  

[tikay]

Quick PS to my previous Post, before I continue.

Tighty has made it clear to me thast I, & I alone, have to make the decision.

I'm not entirely sure what he thinks I should do, as I have not asked, but I do know he sees it as wrong that Jane is accused of viewing Kev's PM's, when there appears to be no evidence to support such a claim.

More very shortly.

[littlemissC]

Sigh.  And round and round we go.  What started out as an apology to Tikay turns into a hunt for Jane's head, followed by more of the same from the ITB crew & co. - hounding and hunting anyone with an opinion that differs to theirs.  Which in turn forces a reply from me.

I can deal with the taunting and discreet threats being thrown my way.  I never expected any less from you.  Carry on Lads and enjoy while you can.  I'm a nutter.  Not a bit shy and enjoy going out just like everyone else and everyone knows that.  I've even been called 'one of the lads' as I'm not usually phased by the goings on around the place.  So do your worst while you can.  Because you won't bully me.  The people who know me will be capable of picking the truths from your lies.  Anyone who doesn't know me is free to ask and I'll answer any questions I can.

I'm more annoyed with the abuse being thrown in the direction of people who 'dare' to show any support on my behalf.  And it is happening all around us.  On a regular basis.  Publicly and privately.  Is that because you're afraid the 'untouchable' group might in fact have 'landed in it' this time?  

I have been asked to provide proof.  I have been made run through hoops to get that proof.  All the while those mates try to close ranks in hopes of hiding the facts.  Luckily one piece of proof is an 'apology' from the person in question.  Amazing, I know.  All I can guess is they hoped I would drop it after that.  There is also his admission when questioned by the police.  You can spin it any way you like Paul, but this time at least one member of your ranks has messed with the wrong person...and admitted it.

When you're asked to provide proof before punishment for Jane is considered, instead of supplying it, attempts are made to cloud that one very simple request.  Provide proof.  It would be a crying shame if random accusations/assumptions were allowed fly against Jane just because you shouted loudest.

I am so very sorry the rest of you have been dragged through this yet again.  Believe me when I say, if I could wave a magic wand and make this all go away, I'd have it done long ago.  Of that you can be sure.  I'm not even entirely thrilled with this reply because it's from an angry heart.  Suppose it was abound to happen eventually.  Been sad long enough.  

i completely understand you being upset at people saying things against you Dawn,what happened to you is unforgivable...however i have expresed the opinion that i think Jane be demodded and i am in no way part of that crew i have my own mind and have heaerd a great deal from both sides and am still of the same opinion about Jane.

[outragous76]

me too little miss c

[Laxie]

I know Fran and fair enough.  The people I was referring to know who they are.  Apologies if you or anyone else feels like you've been bunched into that camp as it wasn't my intention.    

[Laxie]

me too little miss c

Afraid my apology does not extend to you, but then I'm sure you knew that already.

[Claw75]

Furthermore, the main bone of contention as to Jane's Modship is (& I may be wrong in that) that she is accused of reading Kev's PM's improperly.

with respect tikay, I don't think it's as black and white as that.  Presumptions have been made that Jane has read Kev's PMs with other members and you have said you'll consider evidence that can be provided showing that.  I think that's kind of a red herring though.  It's accepted as fact that Jane accessed  Kev's msn conversation logs.  Those will include private conversations between Kev and other blonde members.  The fact that those members decided to contact Kev on msn rather than via PM, for convenience perhaps, makes little difference from my viewpoint.

[outragous76]

me too little miss c

Afraid my apology does not extend to you, but then I'm sure you knew that already.

lol - i have never said a single word about you on these threads!

i also dont know the ITB crew as a group - i may know individuals!

my issues is with TIkays disgusting treatment of Kev (due to my values of friendship)  and Janes actions re snooping into Kevs personal files

i have no intention on commenting upon your situation (infact I think I have probably said in the past that its prety terrible)

but i dont need your apology - so dont worry

[tikay]

More on Jane.

I have no "personal" flag to fly for Jane, none at all. We tended to get a bit testy with each other on mod matters sometimes, we all do, but whenever we met, we got along perfectly OK. I have not seen her or spoken to her for at least 2 years, iirc.

Jane is currently absent from blonde, & apart from her PM, has not Posted in some time, or not that I recall.

About 10 days ago - give or take a few days - Jane wrote at length to me, & as far as I could tell by the context, it was circulated to many others, to give her line, & position, on what she did, & why. I have no idea who else it was sent to, but it seemed to be to people who understood the complexities of the matters, & had written to her. I had not contacted her at any stage.

It was a long & complex PM, & even her worst detractors would understand that she's in a tough spot, being spoken of in brutally dreadful terms. You may argue that she deserved it, but that's not the point. Two opposing factions have polarised into separate Teams, many of them unconnected with the people involved, & it's all-out war. ALL parties must be feeling the pinch & fed up with it.

I replied to her PM at length, & immediately. In it, I voiced the difficult spot I was in as to her Modship. I did not suggest she resign, or not resign, I simply said it was a matter that would come to tax me greatly eventually.

I expected a prompt reply, but it never came. This puzzled me, it did not "fit", though I half-suspected she had turned blonde off, never to turn it on again.

I revisited her note, & found that the "you have responded to this" icon was NOT present. But I KNOW I wrote it, & unless I pressed a wrong button, I'm sure I sent it.

So I wrote to her again, asking if she had received my original reply.

She has not replied to either.

I checked again yesterday, because I know I have to deal with this sooner or later, & it turns out that I DID reply to her first note - I had saved the reply in my Outbox.

I'll therefore have to move on, & make my decisions on Jane as I, & I alone, see fit.

I'll do so as quick as I'm able, but I'm not being bullied or pushed into anything.

I know some of you are pretty mad with me over the whole thing - I have the PM's telling me so, & also the ones that say I am in an impossible spot, too, & I've replied, I think, to every single one, but it's not simple, doing the right thing.

And I'm not entirely sure how I ended up in the dock here, either. I may - may - have handled some of it wrongly, but jeez, it's complicated, & I was not involved until after the fact. Others may or may not have guilt - everyone seems to disagree who or what of course - but I know my nose is clean until after the fact. At which stage, yes, I may have handled things less than ideally. I'm not sure how, if that is correct, it should cloud the original matters. In fact, I know it should not.

There are only imperfect solutions.

I'll make my decision as soon as I can sort out in my head what's what. (24-48 hours, I hope). In the meantime, if, as previously requested, you have evidence that Jane abused her Mod powers by accessing Kev's PM's, send it to me.

I am supposed to be Online elsewhere from 7pm, so I'll be in "read only" mode for most of the evening, I'm afraid.

[tikay]

Furthermore, the main bone of contention as to Jane's Modship is (& I may be wrong in that) that she is accused of reading Kev's PM's improperly.

with respect tikay, I don't think it's as black and white as that.  Presumptions have been made that Jane has read Kev's PMs with other members and you have said you'll consider evidence that can be provided showing that.  I think that's kind of a red herring though.  It's accepted as fact that Jane accessed  Kev's msn conversation logs.  Those will include private conversations between Kev and other blonde members.  The fact that those members decided to contact Kev on msn rather than via PM, for convenience perhaps, makes little difference from my viewpoint.

Fair comment Claire, though I added the rider that I may be wrong.

I've not spent as much time thinking about all this as many seem to have.

I understand your logic though.

[Josedinho]

Think Claw nails it. People probably aren't just annoyed that their PM's were being read just the fact that somebody that is in a position of trust on blonde could have read private information that were made by different methods of communication. If she unveilled some incriminating evidence then well done for bringing it to somebody's attention but if she suspected it was there contac the police , if not than going through somebody's converstations, txts or emails isn't the behaviour i would expect of a mod.
I know nobdy involved but Claw mentioned earlier that she had heard back something from one of her converstations getting back to her. Whether it was a conversation on blonde or not doesn't really matter. It's not asking for a hanging or even a banning people just don't think that's what a mod should be doing.

[booder]

Have been given permission to post this from Kev...



Firstly, my PC was in mine and Janes bedroom, It was password protected and was only ever used by me apart from the odd time that Jane did something for me on it. It was not and never has been a "communal" PC. Jane had her PC downstairs which all the kids used, there were also 3 or 4 laptops in the house, no one, repeat NO ONE had access to my desktop !!

 secondly
 Jane knew about the Laxie vid less than 1 minute after I saw it, She didnt actually watch the vid because I had no copy of it, but she knew exactly what it contained as I told her everything. Jane was disgusted at what I told her, but obviously not disgusted enough to tell Laxie until she had a major beef with me.

Thirdly
 I have had many people talk to me about the video clip, they all seem to be of the impression that it is a feature film showing 2 people having sex while one is drugged ... the FACTS are that it was a 30 secondish clip of Laxie laying on her stomach on a bed stark naked and shieldsy touched her and then stuck 2 fingers up at the camera which he was holding himself. I did not even know it was Laxie,i was only made aware through msn,
as I said in the msn convo (which I am sure can be proved) . I did NOT know Laxie was in a drunken state and was unaware of what was happening, again the msn convo will bear this out.

I am pretty stressed out about all of this, people are coming on here saying whatever they want and I have to sit here and read it, truth is Laxie WAS the victim of a horrible breach of trust and that is a given fact which no one can deny, it is also a fact that I too have been a victim of malicious and vindictive actions by Jane. I have proof that she has deleted photographs, I have proof that she has deleted emails, I have proof that she was all over my computer like a rash on the 30th June.

 I know she read my PM's as she quoted some of them to me on the phone, but although the browser history showed this when I fired up the computer, I since went into my PM's before I was banned which changes the date and loses the fact that she looked at them on the 30th June
 I can provide screen shot evidence to show that the photos, and emails were looked at AND modified, I do not need to prove that she copied and deleted all of my chat logs as she has proved that for me. Unfortunately I cannot prove that she looked at my PM's but I know with 100% confidence that she did.