Apology to Tikay.

[outragous76]

I was trying to avoid posting, a right to reply is just that – a right, not a rule that must be obeyed , a lot of what is being talked about is none of anyone’s business, I have the right not to drag out dirty washing in public.

pretty much got to there

thank god you put that in first so i didnt have to read the rest of the drivel

[TightEnd]

What are you trying to say?

Is that directed at me? If so the words are there, read it if you want. Some, and by some I also include you, have quite clearly made up your mind as to what has happened, I do not intend on getting into any debate.

Kev has spun something very simple into something it is not in an attempt to divert attention, some people wanted me to post my side, I have.

I havent made up my mind at all about what you did. I havent got a clue.

I think there are so many different arguments being mixed together by people here it is hard for anyone to piece together the facts.
I have opinions on all the different arguments they are irrelevant.

One fact is clear though, how all this started, and why the original post had to be made.

Are you denying that you and your bearded sea nut (sigh at *****, when its obv needed) of a mate forced all of this to be outed, with no other motive than to hurt Kev?

That is the only reason I would like to see you disappear from this forum.

Stuart I agree that there are a number of issues intertwined here. Dealing with it has been incredibly complex.

However, in my opinion, all the chatter and opinions about the sole motivations for this to be handled publically are vindictive is a complete red herring.

tikay and I had no choice but to go public. Think of the bigger picture.

9 months down the line the Brendan issue becomes public via a third party, and we've meanwhile swept it under the carpet in the meantime?

9 months down the line the alleged criminal case reaches a conclusion, of whatever sort, and it becomes public and meanwhile we've swept a mods (peripheral, he only received a link) involvement under the carpet in the meantime?

We handle it privately say, Kev steps down as a mod (unarguable) and I'm expected to think that it wouldn't come out on his blog, or via his friends on other forums (and believe me those lads on the Unshrewd Forum know no boundaries, oh I forget Stuart you joined in)

Yes I do wish that Bainn had not been contacted. However its a red Herring Stuart. Kev did wrong. Doing that meant we had to do something. Doing that totally privately left us open to all sorts of problems down the line.

[StuartHopkin]

Shame Kev doesn't have that right...........

He does though doesn't he.  He posts messages through other people and we are told who they are from.  And they don't get deleted either.

Whats your angle on all of this MrShogun? You seem to be in the anti-kev camp. Which your more than entitled to be, but I'm not sure why.

I think that's the problem

I don't think there should be an anti-kev, or anti-jane camp, or any other derivation (apart from anti-Bainn)

It should just be a matter of what's right and wrong, shouldn't it?

But whats right and wrong, and on what level is open to everyones interpretation of the facts.

Imo what Bainn and Jane did to hurt Kev is worse than what Kev did with the Brendan money

As soon as you can put a sentance like that together your going to divide the forum into teams.

[pleno1]

People are saying Jane should be de-modded because she is accused of reading PM's once. There is no proof. If Kev does admit to reading lots of emails and nto having the will power to stop himself and that he read lots of msn convos I'm assuming that were with fellow blondes and once again he admits this surely that argument is out the window? And if it is there's no reason why she shouldn't be a mod? Not one person has said she is shit at her "mod" duties, so I think she should stay.

[AndrewT]

Imo what Bainn and Jane did to hurt Kev is worse than what Kev did with the Brendan money

Wat?

[Acidmouse]

what did Bainn do? i missed his deleted postings on the subject.

[littlemissC]

I apologise Tracey I had not thought about that and yes he was a victim too

I also think your great xxxxx

[outragous76]

What are you trying to say?

Is that directed at me? If so the words are there, read it if you want. Some, and by some I also include you, have quite clearly made up your mind as to what has happened, I do not intend on getting into any debate.

Kev has spun something very simple into something it is not in an attempt to divert attention, some people wanted me to post my side, I have.

I havent made up my mind at all about what you did. I havent got a clue.

I think there are so many different arguments being mixed together by people here it is hard for anyone to piece together the facts.
I have opinions on all the different arguments they are irrelevant.

One fact is clear though, how all this started, and why the original post had to be made.

Are you denying that you and your bearded sea nut (sigh at *****, when its obv needed) of a mate forced all of this to be outed, with no other motive than to hurt Kev?

That is the only reason I would like to see you disappear from this forum.

Stuart I agree that there are a number of issues intertwined here. Dealing with it has been incredibly complex.

However, in my opinion, all the chatter and opinions about the sole motivations for this to be handled publically are vindictive is a complete red herring.

tikay and I had no choice but to go public lots of options other than to go public. Think of the bigger picture.

9 months down the line the Brendan issue becomes public via a third party a spiteful vindictive individual (or two), and we've meanwhile swept it under the carpet in the meantime? deal with it very professionally, privately, and off the record. If it did come out the people would be seen as vindictive and spiteful and im sure the blonde public at large would agree we handled it well, given the circumstances.

9 months down the line the alleged criminal case reaches a conclusion, of whatever sort, and it becomes public and meanwhile we've swept a mods (peripheral, he only received a link) involvement under the carpet in the meantime? Now I know this was already in teh public domian as the affected party had posted about it quite clearly on this forum, and kevs involvement (LOL at that choice of word), knowledge that something had occured, oh and janes knowledge too btw, is TOTALLY MEANINGLESS on the impact of the above investigation. Although it was conveninet to get rid of Kev whilst he is having a bad time so we will take it!

We handle it privately say, Kev steps down as a mod (unarguable) and I'm expected to think that it wouldn't come out on his blog, or via his friends on other forums (and believe me those lads on the Unshrewd Forum know no boundaries, oh I forget Stuart you joined in) , and as part of the agreement all parties treat it with confidence. What 3rd parties do with any tip-bits they have is impossible to manage

Yes I do wish that Bainn had not been contacted. However its a red Herring Stuart. Kev did wrong. Doing that meant we had to do something. Doing that totally privately left us open to all sorts of problems down the line was clearly our best option, but didnt suit some peoples vindictive motives and ..... well..... we did the 1 thing which meant the shit wouldnt stick, because we are frightend like that you see

Tighty - ive translated your post - hope thats OK

[TightEnd]

what did Bainn do? i missed his deleted postings on the subject.

Bainn was approached to speak to the Hartnett family about the payment. This was around the same time that I was spoken to by the same person about the possibility of a problem with the payment. Jane has referred to the Brendan issue in her long posts.

He did so. He then spoke to me to confirm that the family had not received the money. At that point his involvement stopped.

As it happens, I was unaware that Bainn had been contacted until after he had been so. I expressed the opinion at the time that it was unwise and complicated what was looking like a tough situation for me to deal with.

When this all came out, in previous locked threads, Bainn posted some comments that were completely out of order and were removed from the forum.

[Acidmouse]

ok thanks...makes sense now..

[StuartHopkin]

What are you trying to say?

Is that directed at me? If so the words are there, read it if you want. Some, and by some I also include you, have quite clearly made up your mind as to what has happened, I do not intend on getting into any debate.

Kev has spun something very simple into something it is not in an attempt to divert attention, some people wanted me to post my side, I have.

I havent made up my mind at all about what you did. I havent got a clue.

I think there are so many different arguments being mixed together by people here it is hard for anyone to piece together the facts.
I have opinions on all the different arguments they are irrelevant.

One fact is clear though, how all this started, and why the original post had to be made.

Are you denying that you and your bearded sea nut (sigh at *****, when its obv needed) of a mate forced all of this to be outed, with no other motive than to hurt Kev?

That is the only reason I would like to see you disappear from this forum.

Stuart I agree that there are a number of issues intertwined here. Dealing with it has been incredibly complex.

However, in my opinion, all the chatter and opinions about the sole motivations for this to be handled publically are vindictive is a complete red herring.

tikay and I had no choice but to go public. Think of the bigger picture.

9 months down the line the Brendan issue becomes public via a third party, and we've meanwhile swept it under the carpet in the meantime?

9 months down the line the alleged criminal case reaches a conclusion, of whatever sort, and it becomes public and meanwhile we've swept a mods (peripheral, he only received a link) involvement under the carpet in the meantime?

We handle it privately say, Kev steps down as a mod (unarguable) and I'm expected to think that it wouldn't come out on his blog, or via his friends on other forums (and believe me those lads on the Unshrewd Forum know no boundaries, oh I forget Stuart you joined in)

Yes I do wish that Bainn had not been contacted. However its a red Herring Stuart. Kev did wrong. Doing that meant we had to do something. Doing that totally privately left us open to all sorts of problems down the line.

I also think all this chatter is ridiculous but when I have a quiet morning at work there is nothing more fun than sticking my two pence in. Unfortuanately I dont look like this when I post   i look like this  

At no point have I suggested it should have been handled privately, my suggestion was that the whole lot was posted immediately. I disagree with Kev being banned for a number of reasons. I am happy to try and think of the bigger picture but the only place I get to is people decided rather than protect a supposed friend they decided to protect something which in my view isnt worth a chocolate teapot in comparisson. You think if Matt worked for me doing the payroll say, and stole an deceased employees final paycheck I would hang him out to dry for it? No, like fuck would I. If I couldnt keep it private, I would sit down with him and work out the best way we could handle it so he could leave without having his life thrown into the gutter.

I may have joined in with the banter on the shrewd forum, but Im not ashamed of that, it may be a public forum, but I think you know what your going to get if you decide to log on there. What I type and say have no real reflection on the morals I live by and I will always  hold my head high.

Just like the conversations Kev is being accused of, I have those sort of conversations daily with all sorts of people. There is a clear advantage in life in being able to find a funny side to most things. Why would you ever want to be sad?

So there you go, I dont think it should have been private, but I dont think your hand should have been forced. I cant understand how you think the people who decided to force your hand were acting honourably?

[Ginger]

Just to add to the above, I knew of nobody that had contact with the family still, Bainn and Harmony openly posted about still being in contact.

[TightEnd]

What are you trying to say?

Is that directed at me? If so the words are there, read it if you want. Some, and by some I also include you, have quite clearly made up your mind as to what has happened, I do not intend on getting into any debate.

Kev has spun something very simple into something it is not in an attempt to divert attention, some people wanted me to post my side, I have.

I havent made up my mind at all about what you did. I havent got a clue.

I think there are so many different arguments being mixed together by people here it is hard for anyone to piece together the facts.
I have opinions on all the different arguments they are irrelevant.

One fact is clear though, how all this started, and why the original post had to be made.

Are you denying that you and your bearded sea nut (sigh at *****, when its obv needed) of a mate forced all of this to be outed, with no other motive than to hurt Kev?

That is the only reason I would like to see you disappear from this forum.

Stuart I agree that there are a number of issues intertwined here. Dealing with it has been incredibly complex.

However, in my opinion, all the chatter and opinions about the sole motivations for this to be handled publically are vindictive is a complete red herring.

tikay and I had no choice but to go public lots of options other than to go public. Think of the bigger picture.

9 months down the line the Brendan issue becomes public via a third party a spiteful vindictive individual (or two), and we've meanwhile swept it under the carpet in the meantime? deal with it very professionally, privately, and off the record. If it did come out the people would be seen as vindictive and spiteful and im sure the blonde public at large would agree we handled it well, given the circumstances.

9 months down the line the alleged criminal case reaches a conclusion, of whatever sort, and it becomes public and meanwhile we've swept a mods (peripheral, he only received a link) involvement under the carpet in the meantime? Now I know this was already in teh public domian as the affected party had posted about it quite clearly on this forum, and kevs involvement (LOL at that choice of word), knowledge that something had occured, oh and janes knowledge too btw, is TOTALLY MEANINGLESS on the impact of the above investigation. Although it was conveninet to get rid of Kev whilst he is having a bad time so we will take it!

We handle it privately say, Kev steps down as a mod (unarguable) and I'm expected to think that it wouldn't come out on his blog, or via his friends on other forums (and believe me those lads on the Unshrewd Forum know no boundaries, oh I forget Stuart you joined in) , and as part of the agreement all parties treat it with confidence. What 3rd parties do with any tip-bits they have is impossible to manage

Yes I do wish that Bainn had not been contacted. However its a red Herring Stuart. Kev did wrong. Doing that meant we had to do something. Doing that totally privately left us open to all sorts of problems down the line was clearly our best option, but didnt suit some peoples vindictive motives and ..... well..... we did the 1 thing which meant the shit wouldnt stick, because we are frightend like that you see

Tighty - ive translated your post - hope thats OK

It's totally fine, you are perfectly entitled to your view. Heaven knows you've expressed it enough in the last few weeks for everyone to be clear what it is

I stand by my opinion and will defend my actions in a horrifically complicated situation for as long as they need defending.

[outragous76]

what did Bainn do? i missed his deleted postings on the subject.

Bainn was approached to speak to the Hartnett family about the payment. This was around the same time that I was spoken to by the same person about the possibility of a problem with the payment. Jane has referred to the Brendan issue in her long posts.

He did so. He then spoke to me to confirm that the family had not received the money. At that point his involvement stopped.

As it happens, I was unaware that Bainn had been contacted until after he had been so. I expressed the opinion at the time that it was unwise and complicated what was looking like a tough situation for me to deal with.

When this all came out, in previous locked threads, Bainn posted some comments that were completely out of order and were removed from the forum.

right, so when Jane uncovered this information -  affecting blonde, she went straight to a 3rd party, who has nothign to do with blonde/the card room and told them, in order that he could spread shit!

now, I can ee nothing in the above, which would mean she wasnt a respected blonde member, ney even a mod, and she absolutely chose the best course of action with Blonde in the forefront of her mind!

*note to HR - P45 please

[Ginger]

what did Bainn do? i missed his deleted postings on the subject.

Bainn was approached to speak to the Hartnett family about the payment. This was around the same time that I was spoken to by the same person about the possibility of a problem with the payment. Jane has referred to the Brendan issue in her long posts.

He did so. He then spoke to me to confirm that the family had not received the money. At that point his involvement stopped.

As it happens, I was unaware that Bainn had been contacted until after he had been so. I expressed the opinion at the time that it was unwise and complicated what was looking like a tough situation for me to deal with.

When this all came out, in previous locked threads, Bainn posted some comments that were completely out of order and were removed from the forum.

right, so when Jane uncovered this information -  affecting blonde, she went straight to a 3rd party, who has nothign to do with blonde/the card room and told them, in order that he could spread shit!

now, I can ee nothing in the above, which would mean she wasnt a respected blonde member, ney even a mod, and she absolutely chose the best course of action with Blonde in the forefront of her mind!

*note to HR - P45 please

Wrong actually, read the post again and you will see that Bainn was involved after blonde was aware. There were crossed wires at the time that led him being involved, but he did not know before blonde.