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« on: November 24, 2010, 01:34:02 AM »

Approaching late stages of £30 freezeout , i shove with and get called by  who has me covered.

Board reads    Two Clubs , theres a cheer by the lady holding and the other locals on the table. The dealer quickly gathers the cards and starts pushing all the chips towards the lady.

I immediately say its a split pot with one neutral guy agreeing , however the dealer and the other locals say its too late as the pot has been awarded.

WTF !! From going on our backs , flopping the board and awarding the chips took under 15 seconds.I ask for a manager and he too says once the cards have been retrieved and awarded the result stands. WTF !!

I can understand if i objected a minute or two later but this was as the chips were being pushed towards the lady.

I don't totally blame the dealer as he had dealt the same speed all night and on this occasion didn't see the split pot , however the locals all protested against my claim to the split pot.

Was the correct ruling given by the manager ?

What would happen in a higher buy in game like a £1k + game ?
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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2010, 01:52:58 AM »

If the board is still in place and your cards have been tabled it's an awful ruling
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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2010, 02:09:25 AM »

I'm tilted for you.

Never play there again?!
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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2010, 02:50:49 AM »

Name and shame please.

Where did this wanky ruling occur?
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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2010, 03:35:10 AM »

shocking, the cards had been tabled right? The dealer should have left the cards face up, split the pot, job done.
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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2010, 03:40:57 AM »

It is bad, and once cards have been tabled and I'd imagine everyone at the table can confirm the "losing" hand that was killed, it should be a simple enough task to confirm the mucked hand with the dealer, admit a mistake was made, and split the pot, as both hands have been shown.
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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2010, 04:47:09 AM »

Is this in a licenced casino? I doubt it. Pub poker? Snooker club?
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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2010, 07:54:05 AM »

The pot being awarded isn't too late. It's only too late when the next hand begins (first riffle).

Cards were tabled. Cards speak. End of.

Absolutely terrible ruling. Name and shame!
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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2010, 09:09:38 AM »

The pot being awarded isn't too late. It's only too late when the next hand begins (first riffle).

Cards were tabled. Cards speak. End of.

Absolutely terrible ruling. Name and shame!

Disagree. Pot can't be awarded after board is destroyed imo
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« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2010, 09:31:21 AM »

Disagree. Pot can't be awarded after board is destroyed imo

Disagree. If everyone agrees on the board, the tabled hands and that a significant mistake has been made then the equitable/fair/right ruling should be made.
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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2010, 09:50:45 AM »

Disagree. Pot can't be awarded after board is destroyed imo

Disagree. If everyone agrees on the board, the tabled hands and that a significant mistake has been made then the equitable/fair/right ruling should be made.

I think you need to actually have the board cards and players cards still intact and open.  You can't just try and get a consensus from the players and railers on what the board was even if it's clearly the wrong ruling.  It's amazing how quickly you can forget what cards were on the board.  You'd have people disagreeing about what was actually on it, so unless you speak up before the dealers has collapsed it I think you just have to accept it.
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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2010, 11:33:29 AM »

The pot being awarded isn't too late. It's only too late when the next hand begins (first riffle).

Cards were tabled. Cards speak. End of.

Absolutely terrible ruling. Name and shame!

Cf talks sense here imo (unlike during the RSQ)
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« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2010, 12:30:23 PM »

the following quotes are from your last 15 posts only so I'm sure there are many more. you really need to look into playing in places that aren't populated by and run by morons

My work colleague flat called my river bet when he had the nut staight with JQ , i had the same hand too.

One person kicked up a fuss , the whole table ignored him and carried on playing.

Is there any casinos which actually apply penalties ? Everybody mentions them but i've never seen one applied.


Blinds 8/16k plus antes.
I make chunky raise and all fold to big blind who only has 2k left and folds.


I sometimes play in Liverpool when on business there and on one occasion one friend raises and his mate the last guy to act instafolds his QQ, everyone laughs even the dealer.

Disqualification seems a bit harsh , a lot of "locals" seem to softplay each other


I was at a conference and was staying out of town so decided to play at a Stanley Casino , i said i had kings in order to get someone to fold but he called anyway and i had to show my lower pair. The locals went berserk , even the dealer said i was out of order.

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« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2010, 12:36:22 PM »

I dont think the board and cards need to be intact providing that there is an agreement on the contents of both and they can still be retrieved (ie board and cards are dead but all still in a pile, prob with burn cards, but not in muck)
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« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2010, 12:39:08 PM »

The pot being awarded isn't too late. It's only too late when the next hand begins (first riffle).

Cards were tabled. Cards speak. End of.

Absolutely terrible ruling. Name and shame!

Disagree. Pot can't be awarded after board is destroyed imo
Surely when the cards are on there back everyone must of seen them an could all vouch what they were an the board were an the right ruling would be made an common sense would prevsail ?
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