Prose from a Poshboy

[bhoywonder]

People are getting way to focused on the figure of £3k, I've grinded for a year with roughly that much and yeah I did go broke once due to ridic overspending and not bothering to play, going broke isn't the end of the world. If your good enough you'll make monies, if not you had fun hopefully, trying to, simples. GLGL Alex.

Im confused..

Going broke is everything

Discuss...

[david3103]

People are getting way to focused on the figure of £3k, I've grinded for a year with roughly that much and yeah I did go broke once due to ridic overspending and not bothering to play, going broke isn't the end of the world. If your good enough you'll make monies, if not you had fun hopefully, trying to, simples. GLGL Alex.

Good point;well made

and if all else fails, drive a van for Knish

[Longy]

3k is a lot bigger relatively in small stakes 45 mans online compared to grinding 30 buyins deep live. You get rb online and no overheads.

Having said that I think Alex should do what he wants to do within reason as long as he doesn't run up massive debts,which I don't think he will. I can't see it greatly affecting the long term.

Do what makes you happy imo

[Free_Rollin]

I don't see how getting a job would increase my roll at all in fact. Assuming I can't just stroll into a job with a £15-£20 an hour salary then ever hour I spend there and not playing poker I'm gong to be losing money rather than gaining it. 20hours job +20 hours poker<<< 40 hours poker. I can see the insurance aspect as being a massive positive of course, but I don't see how I'm ever going to get anywhere going by doing that. I accept that I may go pokerbroke at some point, but I'm never going to be stupid enough to go so broke that I can't afford the bills or anything. If I'm at the point at which I get close to that, then I'll have to revert to plan B, which will be this "Job" thing.

Assuming you contiune to win at the rate you are currently.

40 hours job = guaranteed money.

20 hours job + 20 hours poker = some guaranteed money, potential to win more or lose more.

40 hours poker = potential to win a lot, but also lose a lot.

The difference is, with the job you are constantly getting a stream of money which can be added to your poker roll. You say that you'll make less hourly by getting a job and spending time working rather than playing poker, but if you go busto, how much will you make playing poker? It might be worth getting a job or staking till you have a comfortable roll. If your life roll was separate to your poker roll, than having 30 buyins live imo is more than enough assuming you are playing no higher than 50p/£1 or £1/£2.

Good Luck.

[strak33]

Just grind the HU 2 or 3 tables for a month online.

Go from there

[WotRTheChances]

All of these comments about your current $3k roll were triggered by the post you made having had a bad day having decided it was a good idea to move up to 100NL and/or 5-tabling with little regard to table selection. IMO the concerning thing is the latter as opposed to the former. You are easily good/smart enough to start making decent money from that roll provided you are smart about BR management, table selection and obviously your play. The things I would say purely from reading the steps you've taken and the info you've posted, I would make the following observations:

1 - You are moving up too soon. Possibly not in terms of bankroll, although 30 buy-ins in certainly a minimum I'd want to be playing at a stake.... and I would prefer 50 to feel secure, certainly if this was my main life roll. However, in terms of experience playing HU, I don't really think you should be thinking about moving up just yet.

2 - You are playing too many tables. Personally I spent many months playing 1-2 tables of HU before I played 3-4... I still more often than not play only 1-2 and never play more than 4 (generally if I'm playing 3-4, I'm playing at most 2 opponents). In HU, being 100% aware of your opponents betting patterns, game-flow and getting a solid general feel of the game is very very difficult playing 4 different players on 4 tables.

3 - You are not table selecting enough. I'm not saying you should bumhunt 100% of the time. However, I'd make sure I'd avoid playing multiple regs for long periods. Also make sure you don't allow yourself to get in the frame of mind where you've started playing someone, gone down 20bb's or so and feel like, even though you've found out they are a good/solid player, you have to make back what you've lost before you leave. You'll just end up chasing money and dumping a BI or 4.

Overall I'd just stick to 2-tabling 50NL, making sure you table select harder in future. Make sure you've played a lot of hands at 50NL playing 1 or 2 tables before taking shots at 100NL or increasing your table numbers. Feel free to take the occasional shot at 100NL (I always make sure I'm playing a fish if I'm taking a stab higher for the 1st time), but do so playing only 1 table.

I have played a tonne of HU online and if I ever find myself on a downswing, I've usually not been following my own advice, feel free to take bits from this, or you may feel I'm completely wrong, but it looks like that's where you're finding problems.

[SuuPRlim]

Woodsey gonna defo flame me for this post (no hard feelings mate )

OK. here is my view

Does it matter of alex goes broke? he's 23, no commitments, nothing, and we're talking about absolute pennies in realitive terms (no offence Alex) but £3k will come and go in your life for every page your diary gets, if you lose it all it really doesn't matter. get backed for online for a bit, get backed live for a bit, just make sure you dont get into a "nip-hole" (£100 here, £250 there etc) and if you do nip a bit here and there be sure to snap pay back even if its pretty much most of ur net.

I've gone from $0-6figs and back again by age 20 and I dont even regret it, i learnt a lot but I have a lot of fun, really enjoy my life and never even stop to think about the future, why? Cos I honestly don't care.

Also  £3k obviously no way near a bankroll for 100nl HU.

not advocating my wreckless life approach ofc, but what I'm saying is you don't have to do anything you don't want to do, show some character that I know you have and go get whatever you want, so many people end up in lives they don't really want/like or spend there time wishing they were something else cos they didn't go for what makes them happy they just slid into "normality" and stuck to these "rules" and did what was sensible.

If you want it, get it mate. The chance doesn't hang around for long I dont think.

[leethefish]

some things i have noticed   for definite Alex you are in a great position in life  for your chosen path

1.you have a start 3k with little or no living costs is IMO Good start
2.you have a lot of people on blonde that are willing to help and support you with sound advice
3.you have a good friend base immediately around you Simon, Mitch ,Andy etc who do the same as you
4.you seem to be a very good player
5.you have a good upbringing and are never going to be pottless so to speak
6.you have a good mental attitude and take in the advice that is given to you

with all this yes you probs go broke ...but have a great time in the process plus when /if (i hope you don't)you go broke you will have people around to help don't get a job get a stake IMO

good luck Alex

[DungBeetle]

Woodsey gonna defo flame me for this post (no hard feelings mate )

OK. here is my view

Does it matter of alex goes broke? he's 23, no commitments, nothing, and we're talking about absolute pennies in realitive terms (no offence Alex) but £3k will come and go in your life for every page your diary gets, if you lose it all it really doesn't matter. get backed for online for a bit, get backed live for a bit, just make sure you dont get into a "nip-hole" (£100 here, £250 there etc) and if you do nip a bit here and there be sure to snap pay back even if its pretty much most of ur net.

I've gone from $0-6figs and back again by age 20 and I dont even regret it, i learnt a lot but I have a lot of fun, really enjoy my life and never even stop to think about the future, why? Cos I honestly don't care.

Also  £3k obviously no way near a bankroll for 100nl HU.

not advocating my wreckless life approach ofc, but what I'm saying is you don't have to do anything you don't want to do, show some character that I know you have and go get whatever you want, so many people end up in lives they don't really want/like or spend there time wishing they were something else cos they didn't go for what makes them happy they just slid into "normality" and stuck to these "rules" and did what was sensible.

If you want it, get it mate. The chance doesn't hang around for long I dont think.

Only problem with this, is if it takes him 3 years to to find out if he can make at least 50k/100k a year (or equivilant tax free).  If he can't then he then has a 5 year hole in the CV which is going to mess up alternative careers. 

[DMorgan]

f the haters alex, you got what it takes

Less diary and more getting it done imo

[kinboshi]

f the haters alex, you got what it takes

Less diary and more getting it done imo

I don't think there are any haters.  I think quite the opposite, hence the advice?

[GreekStein]

f the haters alex, you got what it takes

Less diary and more getting it done imo

I don't think there are any haters.  I think quite the opposite, hence the advice?

[outragous76]

There may not be haters but def way too much negativity!

Play more, diary more and get it done!

gogogogogogogo

[DMorgan]

lol was just a general term

Getting a job sounds like a hilariously terrible idea. In the short term you'll likely struggle to get a job that would make it worth it (more a reflection on the job market than your qualifiactions obv). Even if you just played $20 HUSNGs ridic overrolled your hourly on a site with a good rakeback deal would beat your wage.

Your hourly rate at poker isn't going to be subject to wild fluctuations in the  long run as long as you're playing well. Obviously downswings happen but you wouldn't have to play too overrolled to be able to dodge these playing a reasonably low variance game like HUSNGs/HU Cash. We're not talking about MTTs here.

As long as you're making the time to improve and play a lot you're a big favourite to get where you want to be. Playing a few hours a day and kicking back the rest of the time isn't gunna get it done though so the word for today is not JOB its VOLUME


Edit: but yeah don't play 100nl with a £3k life roll. Thats just silly innit

[CHIPPYMAN]

btw alex, if u need a job u can defo work in my chippy